BN66 - Time to fight back: Continued

[SantaClaus]

I particularly like my Closure Notice. One of the year's calculations is crossed out and written in pencil.

Hmmm, maybe I can cross it out again and fill in my own figures.

[BrilloPad]

I particularly like my Closure Notice. One of the year's calculations is crossed out and written in pencil.

Hmmm, maybe I can cross it out again and fill in my own figures.

If you do - use yellow ink. Makes it difficult to copy.

In fact - I wish montp would send all their letters to HMRC in yellow!

[smalldog]

I particularly like my Closure Notice. One of the year's calculations is crossed out and written in pencil.

Hmmm, maybe I can cross it out again and fill in my own figures.

that would be hilarious, maybe we should all do it, send them back to HMRC and say thanks for the info, but as you can see by the scrawl we owe nothing....

[Ratican]

Human Rights - UK Equality and Human Rights Commission

No punishment without law

• You cannot be charged with a criminal offence for an action that was not a crime when you committed it.
• This means that public authorities have to make sure that laws explain clearly what counts as a criminal offence, so that you know when you are breaking the law.
• It is also against the law for the courts to give you a greater sentence than was available at the time you committed an offence.

Restrictions
The right to no punishment without law is absolute. This means that it cannot be restricted in any way.

More on this here:
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/e...ithoutlaw.aspx

More from the UK Commission here (new Commission - about a year or so old):
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com

Any legal experts out there? I wonder if it would be worth meeting on of the Commission's legal advisers?

[BrilloPad]

No punishment without law

• You cannot be charged with a criminal offence for an action that was not a crime when you committed it.
• This means that public authorities have to make sure that laws explain clearly what counts as a criminal offence, so that you know when you are breaking the law.
• It is also against the law for the courts to give you a greater sentence than was available at the time you committed an offence.

Restrictions
The right to no punishment without law is absolute. This means that it cannot be restricted in any way.

More on this here:
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/e...ithoutlaw.aspx

More from the UK Commission here (new Commission - about a year or so old):
http://www.equalityhumanrights.com

Any legal experts out there? I wonder if it would be worth meeting on of the Commission's legal advisers?

You mention criminal law - no-one has suggested that anything relating to montp is a criminal offence?

Though I had a friend charged with a case that was borderline criminal/civil - relating to publishing of documents alledged illegal. In the end decided it was criminal. My friend tried to call a witness - but was refused. Now this is a right under magna carta - but was clearly broken.

[Ratican]

The right to no punishment without law is absolute.

You mention criminal law - no-one has suggested that anything relating to montp is a criminal offence?

Yes, I know what you mean - but by retrospectively changing (clarifying) the law are we not theoretically breaking the retrospective law - which would be a retrospective offence?

"The right to no punishment without law is absolute. This means that it cannot be restricted in any way."

[TheBarCapBoyz]

hehe someone mentioning criminal proceedings got me thinking...

Just like they're talking about special prisons for muslims they might need
special prisons for contractors. This so that ordinary contractors don't become "radicalised".

According to press reports, there are a large number of British born contractors who are being recruited in to extremist tax avoidance organisations like Montpelier and DMS.

Training camps have been discovered in the City and at Canary Wharf.

Anti-contractor hit squads led by Major General Alan Brannigan have been sent in to the camps and arrests are expected. Brannigan refused to deny that British tax inspectors would not use torture methods to extract tax information from contractors. "We will do whatever it takes to root out this evil, " said the General.

Meanwhile, the head of HMRC has warned the public to be on their guard. "The threat to this country of fundamentalist tax regimes has never been higher and we would ask the public to remain vigilant."

[Emigre]

Yes, I know what you mean - but by retrospectively changing (clarifying) the law are we not theoretically breaking the retrospective law - which would be a retrospective offence?

"The right to no punishment without law is absolute. This means that it cannot be restricted in any way."

Lex malla, lex nulla (A bad law is no law). St Thomas Aquinas (1225-74).

[BrilloPad]

Yes, I know what you mean - but by retrospectively changing (clarifying) the law are we not theoretically breaking the retrospective law - which would be a retrospective offence?

"The right to no punishment without law is absolute. This means that it cannot be restricted in any way."

For the JR - do both sides have to each skeleton arguments? I would love to see them. I wonder if you can get them from the listing office. When there is a listing date I intend to give them a call and ask......

[SantaClaus]

If you do - use yellow ink. Makes it difficult to copy.

In fact - I wish montp would send all their letters to HMRC in yellow!

I'm all for it! Right I'm going to Ryman's this afternoon to stock up on yellow printer cartridges.