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BN66 - Time to fight back: Continued

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    Case for the prosecution

    Lets just go through the main points one at a time.

    1. HMRC commence investigation into the MP scheme (sometime in 2003)
    2. HMRC require avoidance schemes to be disclosed (2004). They also state their intention to use retrospective law to challenge such schemes, but only going back to the introduction of the disclosure rules.
    3. Montpelier disclose the scheme, although it had been under investigation already for 2 years.
    4 HMRC issue yearly letters stating their intention to challenge the arrangements in the courts.
    5. For 5 years no case is brought.
    6. At some time in 2005 the Special Compliance office switches the handling of the case fom Bootle to Manchester. Still no case is brought, letters continue to be issued threatening such action.
    7. At some point probably in 2007, the SCO determine that as the law stands, the Montpelier scheme does in fact work, and no tax is due.
    8. Unable to accept this conclusion they come up with BN66, stating that the law was not actually what was written down, but is now something else, and this something else (the technicalities are beyond me) means tax in fact is owed. They state this is not a change but a clarification.
    9. This clarification means the law was what they now say it is, going back to 1987.
    10 Montpelier state their intention to request a Judicial Review on the basis of Human Rights violations.
    11. Despite this HMRC continue with the issuing of closure notices. Montpelier appeal these.
    12. In some cases they get their calculation completely wrong. In others they issue distraint notices, later admitted to be a 'mistake'. Some tax offices issue closure notices, some do not on the basis that a Judicial Review is pending.

    does that cover it... is it enough ?

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      http://forums.contractoruk.com/565429-post4.html

      Is that relevant?

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        Originally posted by poppy01 View Post
        Lets just go through the main points one at a time.

        1. HMRC commence investigation into the MP scheme (sometime in 2003)
        2. HMRC require avoidance schemes to be disclosed (2004). They also state their intention to use retrospective law to challenge such schemes, but only going back to the introduction of the disclosure rules.
        3. Montpelier disclose the scheme, although it had been under investigation already for 2 years.
        4 HMRC issue yearly letters stating their intention to challenge the arrangements in the courts.
        5. For 5 years no case is brought.
        6. At some time in 2005 the Special Compliance office switches the handling of the case fom Bootle to Manchester. Still no case is brought, letters continue to be issued threatening such action.
        7. At some point probably in 2007, the SCO determine that as the law stands, the Montpelier scheme does in fact work, and no tax is due.
        8. Unable to accept this conclusion they come up with BN66, stating that the law was not actually what was written down, but is now something else, and this something else (the technicalities are beyond me) means tax in fact is owed. They state this is not a change but a clarification.
        9. This clarification means the law was what they now say it is, going back to 1987.
        10 Montpelier state their intention to request a Judicial Review on the basis of Human Rights violations.
        11. Despite this HMRC continue with the issuing of closure notices. Montpelier appeal these.
        12. In some cases they get their calculation completely wrong. In others they issue distraint notices, later admitted to be a 'mistake'. Some tax offices issue closure notices, some do not on the basis that a Judicial Review is pending.

        does that cover it... is it enough ?
        I think somewhere along the way there were a number of lies by the Treasury Secretary about what they they knew, what they did and when. I guess lying is the prerogative of politicians.

        I just love the idea that writing one letter a year (and most edited from the previous year) constitutes an investigation. Think my next contract will be in "investigation". Sounds a blast
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          Originally posted by Emigre View Post
          I think somewhere along the way there were a number of lies by the Treasury Secretary about what they they knew, what they did and when. I guess lying is the prerogative of politicians.

          I just love the idea that writing one letter a year (and most edited from the previous year) constitutes an investigation. Think my next contract will be in "investigation". Sounds a blast
          Doh!! Of course, a critical piont , Jane Kennedy's lies and evasion in the Treasury Committee.

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            #12 - Also the fact that they're sending out notices via unrecorded 2nd class post, so if you haven't received one yet (as I haven't) you don't know if that's because they haven't sent it or they have and it's been lost, giving you 30 days to appeal something that you haven't received.

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              Originally posted by MuddyFunster View Post
              #12 - Also the fact that they're sending out notices via unrecorded 2nd class post, so if you haven't received one yet (as I haven't) you don't know if that's because they haven't sent it or they have and it's been lost, giving you 30 days to appeal something that you haven't received.
              Why can't they just send them to montpelier!

              Then montpelier can hand over x hundred appeals!!

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                Case for the Defence

                Obviously my clients "HMRC" are not competent to stand trial.

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                  Originally posted by DonkeyRhubarb View Post
                  Obviously my clients "HMRC" are not competent to stand trial.
                  As I have said on numerous occassions in the past, they hardly attract talent, people with a bright future dont go and work for HMRC!! It isquite amusing tho, I had hand scribbled notes all over my notice, can you imagine any other organisation anywhere sending out formal very important correspondence with scribbles all over them, you'd be fired for professional negligence!!!
                  Last edited by smalldog; 22 October 2008, 12:53.

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                    JUst heard that the number of CNs has gone through the century. Clearly HMRC central having a word with local offices has worked....

                    Alot of paperwork but montp are on top of it!

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                      Originally posted by smalldog View Post
                      As I have said on numerous occassions in the past, they hardly attract talent, people with a bright future dont go and work for HMRC!! It isquite amusing tho, I had hand scribbled notes all over my notice, can you imagine any other organisation anywhere sending out formal very important correspondence with scribbles all over them, you'd be fired for professional negligence!!!
                      http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...-more-tax.html

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