Agile/SCRUM and IR35

[someone has my name]

Scrum / SCUM agile .. its all a hunk of junk

[SueEllen]

Thanks for this - looks like a trip to Waterstones may be in order before someone laughs at me for not knowing about this - anyone got a book recommendation? Sorry for the thread hijack btw.

Save your money and google.

[Devlin]

Scrum / SCUM agile .. its all a hunk of junk

From what I'm seeing of it, I have to agree. Amazes me how enthusiastic some seem to be about it though!

[NickFitz]

It's not a managementspeak, it's geek-intelligentsia-programmerspeak. There's some neat ideas (IIRC, for example, that two people working together on one item is more efficient that two people working seperately on two items), and for some projects it could work very well. But most will treat is as the hoped for universal panacea, not do it properly and bin it after a few years.

Pair programming is part of Extreme Programming (XP), not Agile or Scrum.

[thunderlizard]

Scrum isn't so bad - actually I think if a person with common sense but no project methodology knowledge was suddenly given a load of work to get through, some people to do it, and somebody else to advise on what needed doing first - they might well independently invent Scrum. It is one of the simpler ones.


Some of the key points of Scrum are
-the developers choose what to work on
-the developers manage themselves
-the deliverables are split up until they're small enough for 1 person to handle, so there's minimal 'collaboration'
Done properly, it's all about giving people space to do things, and "direction and control" should be conspicuous by its absence.

But as usual, it all depends on how you're doing it.

[NotAllThere]

Pair programming is part of Extreme Programming (XP), not Agile or Scrum.

Yeah, I didn't RC... The rest was true though.

[too_many_details]

regardless of what you think of this whole Agile movement (of which SCRUM falls under), it is a fact that it currently is commanding the best software development rates outside Investment Banking.

Personally, I have found that I enjoy my work more and feel less stressed working in this way. I'll leave the evaluation of its effectiveness over typical waterfall methodologies to the bean counters.

R