Use of client's equipment ie laptop

[dty]

I was going to paste a link, but it looks like the forum iphone app won't let me. Google "BYOD" (Bring Your Own Device). It's only scary to dinosaurs and banks. Also probably NASA.

[malvolio]

I was going to paste a link, but it looks like the forum iphone app won't let me. Google "BYOD" (Bring Your Own Device). It's only scary to dinosaurs and banks. Also probably NASA.

BYOD is scary. End of. The only way it works is to allow your device to be subject to the company's security processes, anti-virus toolset and network security client applications, or to allow them to load something like MobileIron so a segregated part of your device becomes effectively a company one with no connection between that area and your own apps and data.

If you think any company is going to allow you to plug random kit on to their corporate WAN without some measure of protection under their control, it's you that's the dinosaur.

[northernladuk]

If you read the detail about BYOD it will be backed up by some pretty tight policies that everyone and anyone using it will be subject to. IT and securities policies, just like H&S are company wide. They are not just for empolyees.

[Contreras]

If you think any company is going to allow you to plug random kit on to their corporate WAN without some measure of protection under their control, it's you that's the dinosaur.

I've done it, including at an ex-gov corporate outfit, with the client's knowledge and acceptance. I guess that makes me a living dinosaur.

As for IR35 it only really has any value if you are *required* to provide your own tools.

[dty]

If you think any company is going to allow you to plug random kit on to their corporate WAN without some measure of protection under their control, it's you that's the dinosaur.

I don't *think* they will, I *know* they will. And a previous permie employer did too.

I'll report back in a couple of weeks once I've started the gig (assuming it doesn't evaporate in the mean time), but I already know what the report will be. And, of course, nothing I say will convince the disbelievers that I'm not simply making it up.

[dty]

I've done it, including at an ex-gov corporate outfit, with the client's knowledge and acceptance. I guess that makes me a living dinosaur.

As for IR35 it only really has any value if you are *required* to provide your own tools.

Ex-gov? I'm impressed. Of course, nobody is going to believe you're telling the truth because, as I'm learning more and more each day, if your version of reality doesn't match theirs then you are simply wrong/lying.

As for IR35, I didn't personally make any IR35 claims. That said, my contract specifically says the Supplier will provide the IT equipment.

[northernladuk]

I dint believe you are making up but I think you are wrong to assume a clients IT policy applies to permies and not you. If anything the policies to apply more to temp resources over who they have less control. There is the situation that they really don't have one or care about implementing it in which case someone at client co wants shooting.

[dty]

See the PM I sent you.

[malvolio]

I dint believe you are making up but I think you are wrong to assume a clients IT policy applies to permies and not you. If anything the policies to apply more to temp resources over who they have less control. There is the situation that they really don't have one or care about implementing it in which case someone at client co wants shooting.

Of course if all you are doing is cutting code and have no access to real data, corporate intranets and other material, and aren't working for a client with any concept of risk management or have nothing higher than IL0, then just perhaps he may be right. There are some awfully dumb clients out there you know.

[TheFaQQer]

I dint believe you are making up but I think you are wrong to assume a clients IT policy applies to permies and not you. If anything the policies to apply more to temp resources over who they have less control. There is the situation that they really don't have one or care about implementing it in which case someone at client co wants shooting.

I agree with this.

However, to imply that no client will allow you to put your own kit on their network is absolutely false. It may be rare (almost all my previous clients have said no when I asked), but it's not unknown.

My current client allows me to use my own equipment - I had to accept their IT security policy, but I use my own kit. A previous client allowed the same - I only took my laptop with me for something to do in the evenings, and they said "oh good, plug your laptop in and get to work". Thankfully, I'd already installed the development tools on there, when I was playing around with the new machine.