Another defeat for HMRC - £140k TalkSPORT host (Update: they won in the end)

[Lance]

Companies with less than 50 employees will be exempt,

Not true

but given that for larger companies it will be problematic to contract anyone without PAYE.

Not true

No more odd cleaning jobs.

What on earth are you talking about?

[elsergiovolador]

The rules apply to all public sector clients and private sector companies that meet 2 or more of the following conditions:

you have an annual turnover of more than £10.2 million
you have a balance sheet total of more than £5.1 million
you have more than 50 employees

The worker will have to determine their status by themselves, but they have different risk than a company. I cannot see workers issuing blanket determination for themselves.

[Lance]

The worker will have to determine their status by themselves, but they have different risk than a company. I cannot see workers issuing blanket determination for themselves.

closer but still not true.

The worker doesn't determine status. The intermediary does. In most cases we discuss the 'worker' is a Director of the intermediary so makes that determination, but not in all cases.

[BlasterBates]

The key feature in these borderline cases seems to be how long you've been working there.

[elsergiovolador]

closer but still not true.

The worker doesn't determine status. The intermediary does. In most cases we discuss the 'worker' is a Director of the intermediary so makes that determination, but not in all cases.

Yes you are correct, I just used a mental shortcut for the common case.

[elsergiovolador]

The key feature in these borderline cases seems to be how long you've been working there.

This is probably a trigger as it seems that when someone been with one client for so long the likelihood of them being a disguised employee is higher than someone warming their seat for a couple of months.

When you have been using a particular supplier for years there is no legal requirement to make them your employees.

[TheDogsNads]

The key feature in these borderline cases seems to be how long you've been working there.

18 years is a pretty long time!