New side business: Legal aspects clarification

[stek]

"It's up to you as an adult to talk to your landlord and explain what exactly you are doing."

You think I didn't? Your patronising suggestion is based on the premises that I'm a moron, that all landlords know what they're talking about, and are all reasonable. That's as absurd as this situation.

"HMRC and the bank haven't blundered as the company and you are not the same legal entity."

I wasn't referring to the varied addressing, I was referring to contractors/freelancers being at the mercy of landlords.

"There is also nothing stopping you using a close relation's address as your trading address."

You're doing nothing to improve the situation. The situation is that individuals are unable to independently and self-sufficiently be contractors and freelancers - ie that they are second rate citizens with fewer rights than landlords in relation to something that should have nothing to do with ones status of home ownership. Again an absurd premise that all contractors/freelancers have close family, or family at all. I can't believe I'm hearing these things. How does someones family have anything to do with a person's business arrangements? You speak of being an adult, then suggest falling back on one's parents.

"If you are organised the only actual post that will come are banking letters, one statement a month, and the occasional letter from HMRC."

Quantity has nothing to do with it. If the landlord doesn't want you receiving business related mail, then one letter is too many. I know from experience.

It will piss your landlord off as it did me which just goes to make the situation worse as landlords will clamp down even harder on having any kind of business relationships with their properties.

Worse than what? At best it's a crapshoot at the moment - crapshoot legislation - how is that acceptable? HMRC have to require landlords to allow tenants to get on with their business, or allow tenants to receive post elsewhere. Is that so difficult? That so much hassle can result from requiring an address is absurd. The government know everything about us, what need is there to require this address for communications?

This is bollocks. How does the landlord know what mail you receive? Does he stand in your hallway checking when the postman arrives?

I've been renting since 2002 and have not had an issue (four different houses) NW are my company's official address all I get is bank statements and stuff forwarded from NW.

In fact here at this address I get mail for all sort of previous businesses from previous occupants as well as personal.

I don't get it...

[ConcurrencyOverload]

"This is bollocks. How does the landlord know what mail you receive? Does he stand in your hallway checking when the postman arrives?"

Yes, I have nothing better to do with my time than make up stories about the entwined relationship between landlords and HMRC at the expense of contractors. Surely you can conceive of people living in situations other than detached houses far removed from landlords who never visit the property? Whether or not a landlord sees your post is irrelevant - the legal situation does not depend on that, and we should not have to be working around it according to landlords' moods and behaviour.

"I've been renting since 2002 and have not had an issue ..."

Ok. And I've been contracting for two months, and I have had an issue. Again irrelevant - anecdotal happenstance doesn't cut it. Either limited companies are a risk to a landlord's property, in which case few of them should be willing to take the risk, or they're not a risk to the property, in which case the matter is only down to ability to pay, as with perms, not whether someone is doing business on the property. This matter is even worse than the hand wavy IR35. Well maybe you're in, wave hand, maybe you're out, wave hand, it depends on our mood on the day. As demonstrated in this thread by Milkyway having to explain the difference between registered address and ppob - common to threads on this subject, people aren't even aware of the difference. Of course they'll still give their opinion.

The ultimate answer to Milkyway's question, it seems, is that HMRC are thoughtlessly bureaucratic, and so you have to rent from a landlord who is willing to let you receive business post, and if you are switching to contracting mid tenancy contract be prepared to have to move.

[stek]

"This is bollocks. How does the landlord know what mail you receive? Does he stand in your hallway checking when the postman arrives?"

Yes, I have nothing better to do with my time than make up stories about the entwined relationship between landlords and HMRC at the expense of contractors. Surely you can conceive of people living in situations other than detached houses far removed from landlords who never visit the property? Whether or not a landlord sees your post is irrelevant - the legal situation does not depend on that, and we should not have to be working around it according to landlords' moods and behaviour.

"I've been renting since 2002 and have not had an issue ..."

Ok. And I've been contracting for two months, and I have had an issue. Again irrelevant - anecdotal happenstance doesn't cut it. Either limited companies are a risk to a landlord's property, in which case few of them should be willing to take the risk, or they're not a risk to the property, in which case the matter is only down to ability to pay, as with perms, not whether someone is doing business on the property. This matter is even worse than the hand wavy IR35. Well maybe you're in, wave hand, maybe you're out, wave hand, it depends on our mood on the day. As demonstrated in this thread by Milkyway having to explain the difference between registered address and ppob - common to threads on this subject, people aren't even aware of the difference. Of course they'll still give their opinion.

The ultimate answer to Milkyway's question, it seems, is that HMRC are thoughtlessly bureaucratic, and so you have to rent from a landlord who is willing to let you receive business post, and if you are switching to contracting mid tenancy contract be prepared to have to move.

Sounds like you're one of those people who just attract bother, my youngest brother is the same, whenever we go out we end up in a scrap. Me alone or with my other bro' - no bother.

To me your 'anecdotal happenstance' doesn't cut it with me, suggest you wind your neck in.

[TykeMerc]

"This is bollocks. How does the landlord know what mail you receive? Does he stand in your hallway checking when the postman arrives?"

Yes, I have nothing better to do with my time than make up stories about the entwined relationship between landlords and HMRC at the expense of contractors. Surely you can conceive of people living in situations other than detached houses far removed from landlords who never visit the property? Whether or not a landlord sees your post is irrelevant - the legal situation does not depend on that, and we should not have to be working around it according to landlords' moods and behaviour.

"I've been renting since 2002 and have not had an issue ..."

Ok. And I've been contracting for two months, and I have had an issue. Again irrelevant - anecdotal happenstance doesn't cut it. Either limited companies are a risk to a landlord's property, in which case few of them should be willing to take the risk, or they're not a risk to the property, in which case the matter is only down to ability to pay, as with perms, not whether someone is doing business on the property. This matter is even worse than the hand wavy IR35. Well maybe you're in, wave hand, maybe you're out, wave hand, it depends on our mood on the day. As demonstrated in this thread by Milkyway having to explain the difference between registered address and ppob - common to threads on this subject, people aren't even aware of the difference. Of course they'll still give their opinion.

The ultimate answer to Milkyway's question, it seems, is that HMRC are thoughtlessly bureaucratic, and so you have to rent from a landlord who is willing to let you receive business post, and if you are switching to contracting mid tenancy contract be prepared to have to move.

Would you like some vinegar and maybe some ketchup to go with that monumental chip?

Most landlords won't give a flying fig if you get a bit of business mail at a rented address, that's even if they know it's being delivered there. That being said if they do care then they're perfectly entitled to set the rental conditions and you're entitled to feck off and rent elsewhere.
Quite honestly if you consult a landlord with the sort of attitude you display on here then I'd expect the landlord to tell you to get bent, I certainly would.

[ConcurrencyOverload]

"Sounds like you're one of those people who just attract bother, my youngest brother is the same, whenever we go out we end up in a scrap. Me alone or with my other bro' - no bother.

To me your 'anecdotal happenstance' doesn't cut it with me, suggest you wind your neck in."

Ad hominem? Disappointing. Milkyway has raised an issue with the way things work, and I have highlighted the extent of the issue, and how damaging it can be to someone who in no way is causing any trouble. I am nothing like your brother. I am upset on this matter as a result of how things suddenly flipped on me while minding my own business, and am highlighting that the way things currently work can very easily happen to someone else.

"Would you like some vinegar and maybe some ketchup to go with that monumental chip?"

The flippancy of someone content in their own situation with no objective grasp of another perspective.

"Quite honestly if you consult a landlord with the sort of attitude..."

More incorrect presumptions. I was so apologetic to the landlord that his wife felt quite bad about the situation. Quite honestly, I'm surprised by the attitudes of fellow contractors, who I would expect to work together to ensure the best possible conditions lest the current system works against them at some point. I wouldn't expect the landlords around here to care, or HMRC, but I would've thought others might be interested in reducing any risk in their lives. Anyway, I'm not going to respond anymore. Good luck all.

[TykeMerc]

Oh look, here's a new scenario for CUK, new poster shows up, gets enraged over as soon as their scenario is treated as utterly trivial and then does a flounce. There's a fairly typical follow on scenario too.

[stek]

"Sounds like you're one of those people who just attract bother, my youngest brother is the same, whenever we go out we end up in a scrap. Me alone or with my other bro' - no bother.

To me your 'anecdotal happenstance' doesn't cut it with me, suggest you wind your neck in."

Ad hominem? Disappointing. Milkyway has raised an issue with the way things work, and I have highlighted the extent of the issue, and how damaging it can be to someone who in no way is causing any trouble. I am nothing like your brother. I am upset on this matter as a result of how things suddenly flipped on me while minding my own business, and am highlighting that the way things currently work can very easily happen to someone else.

"Would you like some vinegar and maybe some ketchup to go with that monumental chip?"

The flippancy of someone content in their own situation with no objective grasp of another perspective.

"Quite honestly if you consult a landlord with the sort of attitude..."

More incorrect presumptions. I was so apologetic to the landlord that his wife felt quite bad about the situation. Quite honestly, I'm surprised by the attitudes of fellow contractors, who I would expect to work together to ensure the best possible conditions lest the current system works against them at some point. I wouldn't expect the landlords around here to care, or HMRC, but I would've thought others might be interested in reducing any risk in their lives. Anyway, I'm not going to respond anymore. Good luck all.

Issue most likely is you are possibly a bit of a dick and you piiss people off with your 'I am a bit of a dick' attitude? Maybe? You do come across as one, maybe you should look at some sort of charm school to appear not being being a bit of dick.

[northernladuk]

Issue most likely is you are possibly a bit of a dick and you piiss people off with your 'I am a bit of a dick' attitude? Maybe? You do come across as one, maybe you should look at some sort of charm school to appear not being being a bit of dick.

What are you trying to say lol...