Slower than a slow thing called Mr McSlow?

**BrilloPad** · 7 March 2008, 19:40

Originally posted by Spacecadet View Post

Have you tried turning it off and back on again?

And if that doesn't work, shall we logout and login again? or walk out of the door and back in again.

**TheFaQQer** · 7 March 2008, 19:41

Originally posted by NickFitz View Post

I'm sure the denizens would have a whip round if it becomes necessary to move TPD to a dedicated server

Oh, evening all

I'm sure Ardesco could give us a discount

**RichardCranium** · 18 November 2009, 16:06

Is it worth resurrecting NF's last efforts:

Originally posted by NickFitz View Post

The scripts ought to be minified with something like JSMin or YUI Compressor - that would speed things up.

Can't see that anything could be done about the images - with the exception of the logo, which is hardly massive anyway, they act as link icons, so they can't be shoved off into the CSS as background images without impairing accessibility.

The vBulletin CSS ought to be in a separate file brought in with <link> to allow caching, rather than inline in the <head> of the page.

One thing that would greatly reduce the page weight, and save CUK quite a bit on bandwidth costs, would be to rework the templates, getting rid of the excessive number of nested tables used for layout purposes, and controlling layout with CSS instead, as God (or at least the W3C) intended. (Although much of the content is indeed tabular in nature, so a search-and-replace wouldn't work

)

However, most of these issues are presumably in the hands of the people who make vBulletin - I'm sure the admins wouldn't want to fix this stuff and then see it all break and have to be reworked every time a new version comes out

I'll see about reworking it using modern techniques when I've got time, just as a proof of concept - the admins could then file "crap markup" as a bug with vBulletin, if nobody else has already done so

**Xenophon** · 18 November 2009, 16:08

Nothing is new. Everything has been posted before. Twice, probably.

**realityhack** · 18 November 2009, 16:13

Originally posted by Xenophon View Post

Nothing is new. Everything has been posted before. Twice, probably.

Isn't NF overdue about 100 Xeno Geek Points, with interest?

**Xenophon** · 18 November 2009, 16:18

Originally posted by realityhack View Post

Isn't NF overdue about 100 Xeno Geek Points, with interest?

I'm sure he has had quite a few over the years, but yes - he does score high on the geek front.

**realityhack** · 18 November 2009, 16:19

Originally posted by Xenophon View Post

I'm sure he has had quite a few over the years, but yes - he does score high on the geek front.

If Geek Points were a Fiat currency, they'd have a picture of a monkey on the notes.

**DaveB** · 18 November 2009, 16:19

Originally posted by Xenophon View Post

Nothing is new. Everything has been posted before. Twice, probably.

<Shirley>
The word is about, there's something evolving,
Whatever may come, the world keeps revolving
They say the next big thing is here,
That the revolution's near,
But to me it seems quite clear
That it's all just a little bit of history repeating itself
</Shirley>

**NickFitz** · 18 November 2009, 16:19

Originally posted by RichardCranium View Post

Is it worth resurrecting NF's last efforts:

WHS. The thing about the in-page CSS is an admin control panel option in vBulletin so it shouldn't be hard to implement.

I'd been meaning to bring that up as it has an effect on page load times on a mobile - with the slower connection speed, having all that CSS text before the <body> element is opened really makes the site feel slow.

Also, the tracking JavaScript really should be moved to just before </body>, so it means that the logo loads, then everything stops while it goes off and fetches scripts from Google and suchlike

**NickFitz** · 18 November 2009, 16:21

Just for fun, let's see if the CSS is too big to be included in a post:

Code:

<!-- CSS Stylesheet -->
<style type="text/css" id="vbulletin_css">
<!--
/* vBulletin 3 CSS For Style 'Stealth' (styleid: 10) */
body
{
	background: #FFFFFF;
	color: #000000;
	font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	margin: 5px 10px 10px 10px;
	padding: 0px;
}
a:link, body_alink
{
	color: #22229C;
}
a:visited, body_avisited
{
	color: #22229C;
}
a:hover, a:active, body_ahover
{
	color: #FF4400;
}
.page
{
	background: #FFFFFF;
	color: #000000;
}
td, th, p, li
{
	font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.tborder
{
	background: #D1D1E1;
	color: #000000;
	border: 1px solid #0B198C;
}
.tcat
{
	background: #738FBF;
	color: #FFFFFF;
	font: bold 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.tcat a:link, .tcat_alink
{
	color: #ffffff;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.tcat a:visited, .tcat_avisited
{
	color: #ffffff;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.tcat a:hover, .tcat a:active, .tcat_ahover
{
	color: #FFFF66;
	text-decoration: underline;
}
.thead
{
	background: #FFFFFF;
	color: #000000;
	font: bold 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.thead a:link, .thead_alink
{
	color: #000000;
}
.thead a:visited, .thead_avisited
{
	color: #000000;
}
.thead a:hover, .thead a:active, .thead_ahover
{
	color: #3E5C92;
}
.tfoot
{
	background: #FFFFFF;
	color: #000000;
	text-align:left;
}
.tfoot a:link, .tfoot_alink
{
	color: #000000;
}
.tfoot a:visited, .tfoot_avisited
{
	color: #000000;
}
.tfoot a:hover, .tfoot a:active, .tfoot_ahover
{
	color: #3E5C92;
}
.alt1, .alt1Active
{
	background: #FFFFFF;
	color: #000000;
}
.alt2, .alt2Active
{
	background: #FFFFFF;
	color: #000000;
}
td.inlinemod
{
	background: #FFFFCC;
	color: #000000;
}
.wysiwyg
{
	background: #F5F5FF;
	color: #000000;
	font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
textarea, .bginput
{
	font: 10pt verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.button
{
	font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
select
{
	font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
option, optgroup
{
	font-size: 11px;
	font-family: verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.smallfont
{
	font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.time
{
	color: #666686;
}
.navbar
{
	font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.highlight
{
	color: #FF0000;
	font-weight: bold;
}
.fjsel
{
	background: #3E5C92;
	color: #E0E0F6;
}
.fjdpth0
{
	background: #F7F7F7;
	color: #000000;
}
.panel
{
	background: #E4E7F5 url(images/gradients/gradient_panel.gif) repeat-x top left;
	color: #000000;
	padding: 10px;
	border: 2px outset;
}
.panelsurround
{
	background: #D1D4E0 url(images/gradients/gradient_panelsurround.gif) repeat-x top left;
	color: #000000;
}
legend
{
	color: #22229C;
	font: 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
}
.vbmenu_control
{
	background: #738FBF;
	color: #FFFFFF;
	font: bold 11px tahoma, verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	padding: 3px 6px 3px 6px;
	white-space: nowrap;
}
.vbmenu_control a:link, .vbmenu_control_alink
{
	color: #FFFFFF;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_control a:visited, .vbmenu_control_avisited
{
	color: #FFFFFF;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_control a:hover, .vbmenu_control a:active, .vbmenu_control_ahover
{
	color: #FFFFFF;
	text-decoration: underline;
}
.vbmenu_popup
{
	background: #FFFFFF;
	color: #000000;
	border: 1px solid #0B198C;
}
.vbmenu_option
{
	background: #BBC7CE;
	color: #000000;
	font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	white-space: nowrap;
	cursor: pointer;
}
.vbmenu_option a:link, .vbmenu_option_alink
{
	color: #22229C;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_option a:visited, .vbmenu_option_avisited
{
	color: #22229C;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_option a:hover, .vbmenu_option a:active, .vbmenu_option_ahover
{
	color: #FFFFFF;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite
{
	background: #8A949E;
	color: #FFFFFF;
	font: 11px verdana, geneva, lucida, 'lucida grande', arial, helvetica, sans-serif;
	white-space: nowrap;
	cursor: pointer;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:link, .vbmenu_hilite_alink
{
	color: #FFFFFF;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:visited, .vbmenu_hilite_avisited
{
	color: #FFFFFF;
	text-decoration: none;
}
.vbmenu_hilite a:hover, .vbmenu_hilite a:active, .vbmenu_hilite_ahover
{
	color: #FFFFFF;
	text-decoration: none;
}
/* ***** styling for 'big' usernames on postbit etc. ***** */
.bigusername { font-size: 11pt; font-weight: bold; }

/* ***** small padding on 'thead' elements ***** */
td.thead, div.thead { padding: 4px; }

/* ***** basic styles for multi-page nav elements */
.pagenav a { text-decoration: none; }
.pagenav td { padding: 2px 4px 2px 4px; }

/* ***** define margin and font-size for elements inside panels ***** */
.fieldset { margin-bottom: 6px; }
.fieldset, .fieldset td, .fieldset p, .fieldset li { font-size: 11px; }

/* ***** don't change the following ***** */
form { display: inline; }
label { cursor: default; }
.normal { font-weight: normal; }
.inlineimg { vertical-align: middle; }

.smallfont a:link, .smallfont a:visited, .smallfont a:active, .smallfont a:hover {text-decoration: underline; }
-->
</style>

<!-- / CSS Stylesheet -->

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