Scottish Referendum Part 2 - Electric Boogaloo

[Batcher]

Ignores them. They get far more seats in Parliament than they should anyway the self-entitled winkers.

The real reason the UK wants to hold on to Scotland. They said the oil was running out in 2014...

https://stv.tv/news/north/1384161-no...t-of-shetland/

[Batcher]

Ignoring is probably a better response than Spanish style injunctions and trials. But it becomes difficult he the Scottish parliament holds a referendum and declare independence. These events can get an unexpected momentum.

It's in the United Nations Charter that all people have a right of self determination. If May denies our referendum then we can declare UDI legally,

In its substantive law stipulations, the Declaration postulates what may be described as ordering principles, intended to guide the progressive development of international law in accordance with the General Assembly’s own explicit mandate under Article 13, paragraph 1 (a), of the Charter of the United Nations:
- that the subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a denial of fundamental human rights (art. 1);
- that all peoples have the right to self-determination, but that this necessarily includes the right freely to determine their political status and freely to pursue their economic, social and cultural development (art. 2);
- that all armed action or repressive measures of all kinds directed against dependent peoples shall cease (art. 4);
- that immediate steps shall be taken, in United Nations Trust and Non-Self-Governing Territories or all other territories which have not yet attained independence, to transfer all powers to the peoples of those territories (art. 5).

United Nations Audiovisual Library of International Law

[Batcher]

So there you have it. Everybody settle in because we've got a few good years of arguing about Brexit yet. I guess Scotland will get a referendum somewhere around the middle.

Once article 50 is triggered we have a 2 year window. It is actually 18 months to come to a deal with the last 6 month for the EU27 to ratify. This will mean we will know in 18 months what the deal is so perfect timing for #indyref2

The EU have said that if we become independent before Brexit occurs then we will remain members and will take the UK's place.

[shaunbhoy]

It's in the United Nations Charter that all people have a right of self determination.

Aye, and you "self-determined" to stay in the UK less than 3 years ago.

Or do you just suggest continuing to have referendums every few years until you "self-determine" the result that you want?

[xoggoth]

The EU have said that if we become independent before Brexit occurs then we will remain members and will take the UK's place

Really? Got a link for that?

[Batcher]

How did that trap work out for Catalonia? Or are they still a part of Spain?



She lets them go ahead with it and then guffaws when the majority choose to vote the way they did less than 3 years ago.

There really is very little appetite for another Indy Ref, Sturgeon knows it and so does everyone else. Let her call one at her peril and put the thing to rest for decades.

Only the #Yoons are saying there is little appetite for #indyref2 because they know they will lose. British Labour in Scotland are destroyed because they stood shoulder-to-shoulder with the toxic Tories during #indyref. They are likely to be the 4th party in Scotland after the May local elections behind the Greens who are now neck-and-neck with them.

Indyref2 will be a straight fight between Tory #Yoons and Pro-Indy supporters. Labour were funded by Tories last time in Better Together to be the acceptable face of the #Yoonion because Tories are toxic in Scotland.

[shaunbhoy]

The EU have said that if we become independent before Brexit occurs then we will remain members and will take the UK's place.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-eu-membership

[TestMangler]

Aye, and you "self-determined" to stay in the UK less than 3 years ago.

Or do you just suggest continuing to have referendums every few years until you "self-determine" the result that you want?

Change the f***ing record Shaun. Since the last indyref, the people of Scotland have voted in a pro indy parliament, I actually thought you might know that. They have the right to call for whatever the f**k they want if they have the parliamentary power.

Where's the pro union votes to stop that happening ? That's all it takes. Enough votes and seats to pursue a pro union agenda. Problem is, they haven't got 'em. Accept it, stop bitching about stuff and repeating the same guff over and over in the hope it will make it real, because it's not. Pro union parties do not have the votes and seats currently in Scotland to have much of a say. Fact.

[Batcher]

SNP loses overall majority in Scottish Parliament | The Independent

Poll: Support for Indyref2 slips amid Brexit wrangling - The Scotsman

Coupled with the fact that the economic conditions and oil price are a lot less robust looking than they were last time round.

And on top of that, the major thing that swung it "Better Together's" way last time was the uncertainty. That uncertainty has now gone into overdrive.

Oil is such a burden. It's funny how Norway made £Billions in profit last year at the same oil price as the UK has. The reason is they tax the oil companies properly whereas the UK give tax rebates to BP & Shell, etc. They virtually give the oil profits away.

Whisky is worth £5Bn per year but that all goes to Westminster. Do you know that England has more income from Whisky than Scotland? That's because the income is determined from the port that the whisky is exported from. That's why Scotland's figures look so bad - it is rigged to make it look bad.

The Yoonion's project fear won't wash this time. Brexit has caused more uncertainty that Independence ever will.

[shaunbhoy]

because Tories are toxic in Scotland.

Really? Well nobody appears to have told Ruth Davidson!

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1367060...than-sturgeon/