Resign from Umbrella

[Anonimouse]

Nope and I have been contracting a long time.

I asked my normal agency and they said it wasn't something they used.

I certainly wasn't paid between assignment, in fact I was barely paid at all. Hence the p87

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Some Swedish work time contract, which nobody but them has ever heard of, the agency certainly didn't request it.

I asked several times for an explanation but didn't understand a word.

I have had the joy of completing a p87 to try to get the money back.

I would guess, from what you have said, that the umbrella company operates a Swedish Derogation contract which, in order to comply with the Agency Worker Regulations, must contain a provision for pay between assignments. Some umbrella companies operate by deducting an amount from you each week or month which would then be paid back to you when you were between assignments - i assume this is what has happened here. Did they say why they wouldn't process your expenses??

[Anonimouse]

Because I wasn't employed by them apparently, so I asked them how they were going to pay me then if I wasn't employed. They said HMRC insisted to prevent fraudulent expenses claims.

By the time they took the Swedish stoppages, their fees and no expenses I got pennies. I would never start straight away again.

I asked for the pay between assignments but got nothing when the contract ended.

I spoke to my current agency and asked why some agencies only use certain brolly's and they said because they got a bung.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Because I wasn't employed by them apparently, so I asked them how they were going to pay me then if I wasn't employed. They said HMRC insisted to prevent fraudulent expenses claims.

By the time they took the Swedish stoppages, their fees and no expenses I got pennies. I would never start straight away again.

I asked for the pay between assignments but got nothing when the contract ended.

I spoke to my current agency and asked why some agencies only use certain brolly's and they said because they got a bung.

I could understand that they wouldn't pay for expenses that were incurred before you began employment with them - they would be costs that you would need to submit to HMRC via SA but I can't understand money being taken from you to cover PBA not being returned to you when you left their employment - that's not their money and should not be retained if you leave their employment

[Anonimouse]

It was not expenses from before I started it was expenses from when I started but because they hadn't done their paper work in time I couldn't claim them.

Nope no money returned I have a four figure claim with HMRC whether it includes that or not I have no idea.

[Waldorf]

I was forced to work for an umbrella recently who provided a projection

Why were you forced? Is this another case of the agency wanting a bung from a brolly?

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

It was not expenses from before I started it was expenses from when I started but because they hadn't done their paper work in time I couldn't claim them.

Nope no money returned I have a four figure claim with HMRC whether it includes that or not I have no idea.

If you hadn't signed the contract of employment at the point when you had incurred the expenses you would not be an employee of the umbrella company and therefore you wouldn't be entitled to make a claim for expenses - if you had signed the contract then it's a different matter. It would not be down to HMRC to return money to you that the umbrella company had deducted to cover PBA - that should only be your expenses (what costs had you incurred?? a four figure claim for that short period of time is pretty steep.)

[Anonimouse]

Mileage, parking, subsistence, they allowed me next to nothing every week.

Agency said this brolly or no job. I must admit my first thought was bung.

[LisaContractorUmbrella]

Mileage, parking, subsistence, they allowed me next to nothing every week.

Agency said this brolly or no job. I must admit my first thought was bung.

So, are you saying that you incurred costs of over £1,000 for mileage, parking and subsistence but your umbrella company didn't process these costs as expenses? If so there a several reasons why - as I said if you hadn't signed your contract of employment then you wouldn't be an employee and would have no entitlement to expenses; if the expenses reduced your taxable income to a point where it feel below minimum wage the umbrella company would be breaking the law; if there was an issue with the expenses themselves. Did they offer no explanation??

Your first thought was undoubtedly correct

[Anonimouse]

I did sign my contract, I was doing 505 miles a week, they processed a very small amount of expenses I 'lost' almost half my wages every week, hence the huge p87 claim.

Awful awful people. I finished in August and it has taken till now with me emailing almost daily to Get the info to complete the forms.