Just been looking in to all of this myself as I'm doing an inside IR35 gig for the 1st time. Caveat - as I under stand it so far this is not advice...
Up until now I would just lump sum a bit from the ltd every 6 months or so which is treated the same way as salary sacrifce - no tax or NI deductions are made so you can't claim any back either.
With an umbrella provided pension or a SIPP you are losing money in NI contributions... both empoyers and emplyees NI are getting deducted. You get a 20% tax rebate automatically (assuming you have set up the contributions properly). But assuming you are on 40% tax rate you claim the rest back in your tax return to get topped up to 40% relief. As per : https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-your-priva...ion-tax-relief
However you can't claim the NI back. So that's gone for ever.
I don't have a list of salary sacrifice umbrella schemes yet - but it's important to understand thast you are losing a big chunk of income to NI and going up with the social care bill if you aren't doing salary sacrifice. Employers NI has no upper limit so 13.8% on anything over £8,840 yr / £737 mth!! At least employees drops back from 12% to 2% once you get to £50,270. But that means between 10k and 50k you are losing 25% of everything to NI! (Willing to be corrected as I'm just looking up not using a calculator).
I will be swapping umbrella as mine don't do scarifice and only offers to pay into their prefferred pension provider - Smart Pension, they haven't impressed me. I asked for 20% contributions - to minimise my tax, and someone screwed up and they're only doing 10.5%. And then take too long - about 6 - 8 weeks before it gets invested in their limited choice of fund with higher charges thatn I like. Typically 0.5%ish when my funds in my HL SIPP are all under 0.1% apart from a couple of active managed funds.
I'm 49 so can get at the 25% lump sum money in 6 years time it I really needed it. But don't start drawing down income or you lose the right to keep contributing tax free - and are limited to £4,000 per year. Just watched a Youtube on this and people have royally screwed up in some cases. You get hit with up to 55% charges on later contrubtions if you start taking moeny out! (Its to stop you taking it out and putting in back in again repeatedly and getting more tax relieft as it would be like cyclical VAT fraud - you've make 5% every time you put it back in without the charge). https://youtu.be/AJuIjabQPdE
Up until now I would just lump sum a bit from the ltd every 6 months or so which is treated the same way as salary sacrifce - no tax or NI deductions are made so you can't claim any back either.
With an umbrella provided pension or a SIPP you are losing money in NI contributions... both empoyers and emplyees NI are getting deducted. You get a 20% tax rebate automatically (assuming you have set up the contributions properly). But assuming you are on 40% tax rate you claim the rest back in your tax return to get topped up to 40% relief. As per : https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-your-priva...ion-tax-relief
However you can't claim the NI back. So that's gone for ever.
I don't have a list of salary sacrifice umbrella schemes yet - but it's important to understand thast you are losing a big chunk of income to NI and going up with the social care bill if you aren't doing salary sacrifice. Employers NI has no upper limit so 13.8% on anything over £8,840 yr / £737 mth!! At least employees drops back from 12% to 2% once you get to £50,270. But that means between 10k and 50k you are losing 25% of everything to NI! (Willing to be corrected as I'm just looking up not using a calculator).
I will be swapping umbrella as mine don't do scarifice and only offers to pay into their prefferred pension provider - Smart Pension, they haven't impressed me. I asked for 20% contributions - to minimise my tax, and someone screwed up and they're only doing 10.5%. And then take too long - about 6 - 8 weeks before it gets invested in their limited choice of fund with higher charges thatn I like. Typically 0.5%ish when my funds in my HL SIPP are all under 0.1% apart from a couple of active managed funds.
I'm 49 so can get at the 25% lump sum money in 6 years time it I really needed it. But don't start drawing down income or you lose the right to keep contributing tax free - and are limited to £4,000 per year. Just watched a Youtube on this and people have royally screwed up in some cases. You get hit with up to 55% charges on later contrubtions if you start taking moeny out! (Its to stop you taking it out and putting in back in again repeatedly and getting more tax relieft as it would be like cyclical VAT fraud - you've make 5% every time you put it back in without the charge). https://youtu.be/AJuIjabQPdE
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