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Do Umbrella companies benefit from collecting VAT?

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    Do Umbrella companies benefit from collecting VAT?

    Just curious
    When an agency is invoiced the umbrella adds VAT.
    Does the Umbrella pay that full 20% to HMRC or do they benefit from something akin the the flat rate scheme for acting as the tax collector if so what sort of percentage?

    Thanks
    So now I am worried, am I being deceived, just how much sugar is really in a spoon full!

    #2
    Nope.

    Nearly all will have a large enough turnover so won't be legible for the flat rate scheme.
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      #3
      Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
      Nope.

      Nearly all will have a large enough turnover so won't be legible for the flat rate scheme.
      And if they don't, run like hell
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        #4
        The do benefit by being able to reclaim the VAT on the employees expenses though, especially employee mileage as the VAT soon mounts up on this!

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          #5
          Originally posted by ContrataxLtd View Post
          The do benefit by being able to reclaim the VAT on the employees expenses though, especially employee mileage as the VAT soon mounts up on this!
          How profitable will they be then come April?
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            #6
            Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
            How profitable will they be then come April?
            Possibly not very, guess it depends on how well they are setup....

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              #7
              Originally posted by ContrataxLtd View Post
              Possibly not very, guess it depends on how well they are setup....
              Quite, this played quite a chunk of profits on the umbrella business model, they used to make quite a wedge from the interest on clients money before paying it out and to HMRC but with interest rates so low this is another hit.

              I can't see a long term future for brollies, indeed I'd go as far to say that some will go bust, leaving many clients out of pocket when they finally close the door. You have been warned.
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                #8
                Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
                How profitable will they be then come April?
                Many aren't that profitable at the moment, eg.

                One umbrella (2014) - turnover £39 million, Cost of sales £38 million, gross profit £766k, wages £470k, directors £138k => operating profit £61k

                Same umbrella company (2013) - turnover £35 million, cost of sales £34million, gross profit £664k, wages £513k, directors £136k => operating loss £49k

                Another one I checked - turnover £348 million, operating profit £838k (although they did pay their directors £4.5 million)

                As a percentage of turnover, it's not that great - but at least you can always run away with the cash and leave the employees behind
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post
                  Many aren't that profitable at the moment, eg.

                  One umbrella (2014) - turnover £39 million, Cost of sales £38 million, gross profit £766k, wages £470k, directors £138k => operating profit £61k

                  Same umbrella company (2013) - turnover £35 million, cost of sales £34million, gross profit £664k, wages £513k, directors £136k => operating loss £49k

                  Another one I checked - turnover £348 million, operating profit £838k (although they did pay their directors £4.5 million)

                  As a percentage of turnover, it's not that great - but at least you can always run away with the cash and leave the employees behind
                  Should be enough left in the kitty for a canoe and a map of how to get to Panama

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by TheFaQQer View Post
                    Many aren't that profitable at the moment, eg.

                    One umbrella (2014) - turnover £39 million, Cost of sales £38 million, gross profit £766k, wages £470k, directors £138k => operating profit £61k

                    Same umbrella company (2013) - turnover £35 million, cost of sales £34million, gross profit £664k, wages £513k, directors £136k => operating loss £49k

                    Another one I checked - turnover £348 million, operating profit £838k (although they did pay their directors £4.5 million)

                    As a percentage of turnover, it's not that great - but at least you can always run away with the cash and leave the employees behind
                    I wonder just how much that £61k operating profit is going to be hit by not having the VAT reclaim in there. I reckon, just using some very very rough figures that the whole £61k could be wiped out in an instant come April 16 just because mileage can't be claimed anymore.

                    687 employees each doing an average of about 4500 miles per annum could lead to a VAT reclaim of £61k.......

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