In a nutshell do I have to use my Umbrellas in house SIPP scheme if I want to pay into a pension via Salary Sacrifice?
I have searched the forums but I have not found a great deal about the Pros and Cons of brollies in house pension schemes or any alternatives people may be using.
So before I sign on the dotted line for the brolly scheme I would like to bounce a couple of questions off those of you in the know here.
Your answers and advice to this thread may well be useful to other newbies in the future.
Some background
I am new to contracting, not ready to go PSC yet, plus if I get my pension contributions right there may not be any (tax) advantage in going PSC anyway.
I have a Gig inside IR35 via Hays, I had to use a brolly from their PSL so I chose Giant (no problems with Giant I hasten to add).
Giant offer a Sipp via Curtis Banks.
I am over 55 and can live comfortably off about 50% of my day rate so plan to put the other 50% into a Pension rather than lose a large chunk of it through paye.
The signup to the Giant scheme is via a link on their site saying:
"I don't have a pension and would like to join
No problem! We offer a flexible group SIPP pension with market-leading pension managers Curtis Banks. To help you with this, we've partnered with Independent Financial Advisors Humphries IFA. To join the Curtis Banks pension, or to find out more, click the link below for a call-back from a Humphries IFA specialist."
So on the face of it I have to go via an IFA to join their scheme hmm....... not sure why but ok.
A few days later I get a call from Humphries and I indicate I want to sign up for the scheme.
I know my risk appetite and the type of investment I want to make so effectively I just want the application made so Giant can contribute via salary sacrifice.
The IFA is clearly not really in a position to offer any 'independent' advice simply because this scheme seems to be his only option on the table so he is effectively acting as the salesman for the Giant/Curtis scheme.
I expected to pay something to the IFA for processing the paperwork to join me to the scheme as nothing in life is free and I should have asked for a breakdown of his charges but I didn't
What I have received is the following charges applied to the scheme.
Initial payment 3%
Ongoing annual payments 0.75%
Future transfer in payment 3% (e.g transfer in of other pensions)
Future contribution payments 3%
These are in addition to Cutis Banks own management costs which I accept.
If I pay £40k a year into it and or transfer other monies in, that over time could amount to a heck of a lot of my money being paid to the IFA simply for joining me up to a captive in house scheme! Naively I had expected a one off administration fee for his work joining me nothing else.
Questions:
Can I refuse to signup to these charges and simply ask for a bill from the IFA for him doing the paperwork?
I appreciate I might be shocked at the Bill depending on his hourly rate!
Am I tied to using the brollies in house scheme if I want them to pay into one via salary sacrifice or will/can/should they pay into other schemes instead?
My preference would be to take out my own Sipp with someone like Hargreaves Lansdown I know they can claim back the tax relief but does that also include the employers NI that I am currently paying?
I would really appreciate you collective advice or examples, thanks
I have searched the forums but I have not found a great deal about the Pros and Cons of brollies in house pension schemes or any alternatives people may be using.
So before I sign on the dotted line for the brolly scheme I would like to bounce a couple of questions off those of you in the know here.
Your answers and advice to this thread may well be useful to other newbies in the future.
Some background
I am new to contracting, not ready to go PSC yet, plus if I get my pension contributions right there may not be any (tax) advantage in going PSC anyway.
I have a Gig inside IR35 via Hays, I had to use a brolly from their PSL so I chose Giant (no problems with Giant I hasten to add).
Giant offer a Sipp via Curtis Banks.
I am over 55 and can live comfortably off about 50% of my day rate so plan to put the other 50% into a Pension rather than lose a large chunk of it through paye.
The signup to the Giant scheme is via a link on their site saying:
"I don't have a pension and would like to join
No problem! We offer a flexible group SIPP pension with market-leading pension managers Curtis Banks. To help you with this, we've partnered with Independent Financial Advisors Humphries IFA. To join the Curtis Banks pension, or to find out more, click the link below for a call-back from a Humphries IFA specialist."
So on the face of it I have to go via an IFA to join their scheme hmm....... not sure why but ok.
A few days later I get a call from Humphries and I indicate I want to sign up for the scheme.
I know my risk appetite and the type of investment I want to make so effectively I just want the application made so Giant can contribute via salary sacrifice.
The IFA is clearly not really in a position to offer any 'independent' advice simply because this scheme seems to be his only option on the table so he is effectively acting as the salesman for the Giant/Curtis scheme.
I expected to pay something to the IFA for processing the paperwork to join me to the scheme as nothing in life is free and I should have asked for a breakdown of his charges but I didn't
What I have received is the following charges applied to the scheme.
Initial payment 3%
Ongoing annual payments 0.75%
Future transfer in payment 3% (e.g transfer in of other pensions)
Future contribution payments 3%
These are in addition to Cutis Banks own management costs which I accept.
If I pay £40k a year into it and or transfer other monies in, that over time could amount to a heck of a lot of my money being paid to the IFA simply for joining me up to a captive in house scheme! Naively I had expected a one off administration fee for his work joining me nothing else.
Questions:
Can I refuse to signup to these charges and simply ask for a bill from the IFA for him doing the paperwork?
I appreciate I might be shocked at the Bill depending on his hourly rate!
Am I tied to using the brollies in house scheme if I want them to pay into one via salary sacrifice or will/can/should they pay into other schemes instead?
My preference would be to take out my own Sipp with someone like Hargreaves Lansdown I know they can claim back the tax relief but does that also include the employers NI that I am currently paying?
I would really appreciate you collective advice or examples, thanks
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