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    #21
    Originally posted by LondonManc View Post
    Ah, you're missing my point - these FTC gigs would be at traditional contract rates (using the standard contract calculator perhaps).
    That's how you can get yourself to Employment Tribunal. FTC has employment rights and someone doing the same job as FTC may raise a complaint about wage discrimination.

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      #22
      Originally posted by wattaj View Post
      Good luck with that.
      There are some and I have been contacted with others more recently:

      Large global IT s/w company stopped all UK contracts in Jan (due to IR35) and switch them to same rate but via an agency PAYE arrangement. (some left, some stayed)

      So, I'm an employee* of an agency, on a contractor rate**, with a FTC.

      *Complete with 1 month notice, 3% pension, holiday etc etc (funded by ** below)
      **analogous with an Umbrella model for net, holiday etc

      Its not as good as traditional contracting, but its better than perm in the current market! I can see it being a popular choice in the future too.

      M

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        #23
        Originally posted by elsergiovolador View Post
        That's how you can get yourself to Employment Tribunal. FTC has employment rights and someone doing the same job as FTC may raise a complaint about wage discrimination.
        But your comparator is another person at the agency, not the end client, so they would be on the same terms or not doing the same job.

        M

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          #24
          Originally posted by mjcp View Post
          But your comparator is another person at the agency, not the end client, so they would be on the same terms or not doing the same job.

          M
          It may or may not be. I am only saying that "inside IR35" is the safest option, because company doesn't need to worry about employment rights or wrong status determination as there is no penalty for declaring someone inside.

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            #25
            Originally posted by elsergiovolador View Post

            there is no penalty for declaring someone inside.
            Except that (under the new rules) the company has to take reasonable care... i.e. individual determinations. An agency FTC / Umbrella side steps that risk.

            M

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              #26
              Originally posted by mjcp View Post
              Except that (under the new rules) the company has to take reasonable care... i.e. individual determinations. An agency FTC / Umbrella side steps that risk.

              M
              Indeed why would they take even a small risk


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                #27
                Originally posted by mjcp View Post
                Except that (under the new rules) the company has to take reasonable care... i.e. individual determinations. An agency FTC / Umbrella side steps that risk.

                M
                Yes you have to, but that is just a formality. If you have a contract written for a specific role, then you only do assessment for that role - there is no room for individual determination and this is permitted by HMRC. If you create a contract with the points I listed earlier, that is enough for it to be inside and meet reasonable care. It is much less risk than FTC / Umbrella.

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                  #28
                  I know this is an old thread resurrected, but I'd add that I've taken a couple of FTCs in the past; if the pay and benefits are right, good company for the CV and good experience/work then why not? In both cases my pay + benefits pre tax was not far off my ltd contract rates. Both 12 months in length. I enjoyed one more than the other but hey, who enjoys every contract they work on anyway?

                  Not for everyone, but has worked fine for me
                  I am what I drink, and I'm a bitter man

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by Whorty View Post
                    I know this is an old thread resurrected, but I'd add that I've taken a couple of FTCs in the past; if the pay and benefits are right, good company for the CV and good experience/work then why not? In both cases my pay + benefits pre tax was not far off my ltd contract rates. Both 12 months in length. I enjoyed one more than the other but hey, who enjoys every contract they work on anyway?

                    Not for everyone, but has worked fine for me
                    Likewise, I had a couple of FTCs when I started out working for unis - pretty standard engagement for research staff. It's like any other type of job - if both parties are happy with the arrangement, no problem. It's when one party wants something different (e.g., to be a permie) that things don't work.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Whorty View Post
                      I know this is an old thread resurrected, but I'd add that I've taken a couple of FTCs in the past; if the pay and benefits are right, good company for the CV and good experience/work then why not? In both cases my pay + benefits pre tax was not far off my ltd contract rates. Both 12 months in length. I enjoyed one more than the other but hey, who enjoys every contract they work on anyway?

                      Not for everyone, but has worked fine for me
                      I did one as well when I was quite junior. As long as net pay is where I need it to be and there is an end date.

                      Problem is when you get to a mid career and higher the FTCs just don't come close anymore but maybe that will change. Maybe we will start seeing six figure FTCs, I just don't think they're very common.

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