Volunteers needed

[eek]

After four questions I bailed... An hour of questions, really?

+1. Keep questions short and too the point otherwise people get fed up.

I got as far as agency pay /markup and thought this person doesn’t seem to understand how agencies have to work and walked away

[DaveB]

Completed it, only took 5 minutes, but there are a couple of bits that jarred.

Did you choose your agency or were you forced to use them?
Neither, the agency is the one that happened to have the vacancy s is the one I ended up using. You might be better off asking this about Umbrella Co.s

How much do you pay your agency?
I don't, the client pays the agency fees. It's illegal for agencies to charge people to find work for them. Again, you might be better asking this about Umbrella Co.s

[webberg]

Thanks to those who completed (29) or attempted to finish it.

From the responses back, the average completion time is 5 mins, 28 seconds. Not sure why it needs an hour?

I accept that I have been less than forthcoming about what lies beneath. That is because we have something in development that is not yet ready (and may never be ready). If it ever becomes a reality then I'm sure you will see it in the paid for banners around this page.

I appreciate the forbearance of the moderators.

I'm happy for this to close now if it remains offensive.

In the meantime, thank you again to those who completed the form.

[webberg]

Completed it, only took 5 minutes, but there are a couple of bits that jarred.

Did you choose your agency or were you forced to use them?
Neither, the agency is the one that happened to have the vacancy s is the one I ended up using. You might be better off asking this about Umbrella Co.s

How much do you pay your agency?
I don't, the client pays the agency fees. It's illegal for agencies to charge people to find work for them. Again, you might be better asking this about Umbrella Co.s

I accept that the question on agency is phrased poorly. It should have asked something along the lines of what is the difference between what the agency charges the end client and the contractors day rate.

The question about links between agency and end client is valid.

[webberg]

We want to be able to go contracting in a way that doesn’t put us at a disadvantage when working away from home, or we want rights that being inside IR35 ought to give us. And we want to do it legally.

Which doesn’t require the services of a tax advisor.

And since you’ve been rather cagey in the ‘what’s in it for me’ mutual benefits stakes, as befits a tax advisor, I’m taking a rather jaundiced eye on this request webberg...

Accepted.

I'll PM.

[DaveB]

I accept that the question on agency is phrased poorly. It should have asked something along the lines of what is the difference between what the agency charges the end client and the contractors day rate.

The question about links between agency and end client is valid.

Your unlikely to get any meaningful answers on the agency margin question, most contractors don't know and don't care. As long as the day rate is what you want and what you deliver is what the client wants it's largely irrelevant.

Yes there may be few edge cases where the agent is taking the micky and putting in a £150 a day contractor for £500 day role and keeping a huge slice for themselves but it's rare and the client will quickly question why they are paying that and not getting the service they expect for the money.

[webberg]

Your unlikely to get any meaningful answers on the agency margin question, most contractors don't know and don't care. As long as the day rate is what you want and what you deliver is what the client wants it's largely irrelevant.

Yes there may be few edge cases where the agent is taking the micky and putting in a £150 a day contractor for £500 day role and keeping a huge slice for themselves but it's rare and the client will quickly question why they are paying that and not getting the service they expect for the money.

I accept your view is correct in many cases.

I'm not really after the day rate but more the mechanisms and flows rather than the values.

Thank you for your interest.

[Scruff]

Your first post mentioned "...an hour..."

[webberg]

Your first post mentioned "...an hour..."

It did. My error.

There is a longer version with some examples and models which requires more time.

In the end I went with a cut down version.

[webberg]

I have been asked and will happily point out that what we are looking at is not a "scheme".

It's more of a complete change of mind set over how contractors work and are rewarded.

Short of very specific counter action from HMRC (not impossible) this is something that could easily last a whole career for some.

A key reason for caution now is that it is likely to face opposition (as do all new and disruptive technologies) from established players and clearly we want to solve and iron out problems before we go live.

Thank you.