It was a decent afternoon and I learnt a fair bit. Will post something extensive up later this evening.
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https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/budge...-title-publishOriginally posted by youngguy View PostComment
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Thanks Andy,Originally posted by Andy Hallett View Post
So the biggest Q probably is your feel for how many will be inside based on the Qs and how they are worded? Is it pretty much a catch all?
Also, do you think the tool would give the same outcome regardless of who completes it (by this I mean is it likely the end client will answer differently based on their limited knowledge )?
Thirdly, do the testers include those involved in case law, or is it just HMRC folk?
Finally, if it is just 50 Qs and a decision tree, why do you think it will take 3months to complete? Maybe I am being cynical but I wonder whether delivering it last minute is part of the plan so that people have little time to digest it?Comment
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HMRC off payroll decision service
My feeling for most Public Sector workers is they will be deemed inside IR35. A lot of the work we do in healthcare is very much subject to SDC.
This service has probably captured the majority of questions that anyone understanding IR35 would ask. There is a pseudo MOO question in there, basically what happens if you don't turn up.
March should be fine, I genuinely don't think they are as cunning as that and it's probably in their interests to have it out there as it will push more people inside.Comment
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Would you mind elaborating on this? If it's a case of "do you get paid if you don't turn up?", I'm assuming 99.9% of contracts would say "no", so either this is is the silver bullet we all wish existed or I'm misunderstanding. No doubt it's the latterOriginally posted by Andy Hallett View Post
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Few weeks ago now, but from memory I recall it actually more relates to the "will you get fired" for not turning up bit. EG can you waltz in and out as you choose and decline work etc.Originally posted by meanttobeworking View PostWould you mind elaborating on this? If it's a case of "do you get paid if you don't turn up?", I'm assuming 99.9% of contracts would say "no", so either this is is the silver bullet we all wish existed or I'm misunderstanding. No doubt it's the latterComment
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Is it possible to read anything into the published test scenarios for the online tool
https://github.com/hmrc/off-payroll-...test-scenariosComment
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A reader just emailed in about this so checked it out again. Looks like the HMRC dev team are back on it as been quite a few commits the last few days and a front end is available as well now.
https://github.com/hmrc/off-payroll-frontend
Just asking permission from the reader to publish his comments, or sign up for an account and post himself, as he has highlighted some interesting bits in the code. Will be back in a mo...Comment
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I am the MD of my limited company. It will take something exceptional for me to fire myself.Originally posted by Andy Hallett View PostThe greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't existComment
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Here are the reader's comments:
I have been browsing the HMRC github site and have found this;
https://github.com/hmrc/off-payroll-decision
which looks like that code for the tool that the public sector bodies might be using.
Some of the code is quite interesting - especially this (https://github.com/hmrc/off-payroll-...st-schema.json) which basically tells you what sort of questions they will ask, and then also anything in here; https://github.com/hmrc/off-payroll-...enarios/single
which shows some scenarios and their outcome. I am yet to understand if 'Low' means "Low chance of being caught in IR35" or "Low chance of being outside of IR35"... For instance;
https://github.com/hmrc/off-payroll-.../scenarios.csvComment
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