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Originally posted by eek View PostThe problem is the person answering the questions and the level of risk they are willing to accept...
I asked QDOS what their experience was of agents and they seemed to have a sense that agents were possibly not as unwilling to accept this risk as all of us assumed.
Only time will tell of course.Comment
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Originally posted by youngguy View PostVery true.
I asked QDOS what their experience was of agents and they seemed to have a sense that agents were possibly not as unwilling to accept this risk as all of us assumed.
Only time will tell of course.
There is lots of brave tulipe being spouted on linked in right now but I can tell you the chap I spoke to the other day hadn't thought about the concept that it's the end of the client chain that makes the call and two agents are not the same...
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Originally posted by bobspud View PostImagine a situation: today a role is released and the hounds start looking for candidates. How long do you think hound a) will stand by and listen to countless candidates telling them to get f*cked because hound b) will do the same role outside IR35?
There is lots of brave tulipe being spouted on linked in right now but I can tell you the chap I spoke to the other day hadn't thought about the concept that it's the end of the client chain that makes the call and two agents are not the same...
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Are we really suggesting this is the question set that will be used on the online tool? That cant be right, can it?
The questions are pretty much the same IR35 questions that have been bouncing around for the last 10 years or so, just maybe some broken down into sub questions. Plus, there has been discussion of 'the tool not being ready on time' - you could knock that tool up in an ASP page in a few minutes. Of course, the detail is.. what is the weighting of the questions. If they all score 1 point but the question "Has own business premises" (or however it is worded) scored 99, then thats a different kettle of fish (assuming that a home office is not a business premises.
I imagine even if these are the questions/test, there will be lots of HMRC guidance and exclusions- such as "Advertising"... "HMRC advises that only those that advertise in the national press, and uses a Wipro or CACI agreed font shall bee deemed as advertising" - otherwise pretty much al of these have an easy get around (run a classified in your local rag for a few weeks for £20).Comment
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Originally posted by youngguy View PostVery true.
I asked QDOS what their experience was of agents and they seemed to have a sense that agents were possibly not as unwilling to accept this risk as all of us assumed.
Only time will tell of course.
Agent (a) is risk adverse and puts all contractors inside ir35 and offeres higher prices in return (possibly lower quality candidate?), starts to loose out to agent (b).
Agent (b) has a business structure to manage the financial risk decalares all contractors outside of ir35 after due dilligence and advise to the end client about how to operate correctly with contractors, every thing continues as was.
Ninja edit: Due dilligence may extend to checking we are real business before engaging with us using the check list proposed above.Last edited by BlueSharp; 28 November 2016, 13:13.Make Mercia Great Again!Comment
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Originally posted by youngguy View PostVery true.
I asked QDOS what their experience was of agents and they seemed to have a sense that agents were possibly not as unwilling to accept this risk as all of us assumed.
Only time will tell of course.
Their advice isWe would urge both contractors and agencies not to panic. We are actively speaking to agencies and other key parties with a view to implementing practical, sensible and compliant processes which will ensure those genuinely trading outside IR35 can continue to do so.This default font is sooooooooooooo boring and so are short usernamesComment
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Originally posted by MPwannadecentincome View PostQDOS's official statement last week is here https://www.qdoscontractor.com/news/...statement-2016
Their advice is
If you are in the public sector I would, however, be doing my hardest to find a different contract prior to April. The last thing you want is for the contract you've been doing for the past 12 - 18 months suddenly being inside IR35...merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by jonnyboy View PostAre we really suggesting this is the question set that will be used on the online tool? That cant be right, can it?
The questions are pretty much the same IR35 questions that have been bouncing around for the last 10 years or so, just maybe some broken down into sub questions.
If you look here you can see the answers to results matrices:
https://github.com/hmrc/off-payroll-...er/conf/tables
Certain combinations of answers lead to a definitive 'Inside' or 'Outside' result, others lead to a high/medium/low weighting that is presumably then combined with the results from other sections (some how). It still is likely some no nothing manager somewhere has to decide what level of 'risk' they're willing to take.
I've run the back end up and had a play with some of the questions/answers and it behaves pretty much as you'd expect. I don't think this is going to be something that brings a lot of clarity for anyone.
Originally posted by jonnyboy View PostPlus, there has been discussion of 'the tool not being ready on time' - you could knock that tool up in an ASP page in a few minutes. OComment
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Originally posted by youngguy View PostSo are you saying you think some will use this as somewhat of a USP to differentiate themselves from other agencies ?Rule Number 1 - Assuming that you have a valid contract in place always try to get your poo onto your timesheet, provided that the timesheet is valid for your current contract and covers the period of time that you are billing for.
I preferred version 1!Comment
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