And the first leg is removed

[jamesbrown]

Sweepstake on when this will his Private Sector? I am saying 2019

Depends on the reaction. If there's an exodus from the PS (once the vast majority twig in the middle of 2017 ), it could be 2018, given that the AS will disappear and the next full budget is Autumn 2017. As I understand it, the new Spring Statement (March 2017) will be very limited, so the next window is the full budget, Autumn 2017 (for April 2018).

[Andy Hallett]

Disappointed someone, in your position, thinks its all going to be rosy

Not sure where you got that impression. I think it is going to be an unmitigated disaster with public sector bodies having to spend additional time and money resourcing much needed projects. It's at best wooden dollars, and worst putting public services in severe jeopardy when the big 4 get hired to plug the gaps compliantly at twice the price.

My scepticism about it moving to the private sector is because all the talk from HMRC has been about a 'level playing' field. They won't allow what is effectively a private sector subsidy to stay in place long term.

Sure agencies adapt our offering, and ironically as a big player we anticipate taking market share being seen as a safe haven. Do I think it's right or fair? no.

[eek]

Depends on the reaction. If there's an exodus from the PS (once the vast majority twig in the middle of 2017 ), it could be 2018, given that the AS will disappear and the next full budget is Autumn 2017. As I understand it, the new Spring Statement (March 2017) will be very limited, so the next window is the full budget, Autumn 2017 (for April 2018).

Nope there is Spring Budget 2017, Autumn Budget 2017, Spring Statement 2018, Autumn Budget 2018.

The change will require another consultation document (albeit its probably a done deal already) and the earliest that could come out would be Autumn 2017. Personally I think they would wait a whole year so Consultation (which can be launched at any time provided people are notified) in Spring 2018, sign off Autumn 2018, live 5/4/19...

[administrator]

Not sure where you got that impression. I think it is going to be an unmitigated disaster with public sector bodies having to spend additional time and money resourcing much needed projects. It's at best wooden dollars, and worst putting public services in severe jeopardy when the big 4 get hired to plug the gaps compliantly at twice the price.

My scepticism about it moving to the private sector is because all the talk from HMRC has been about a 'level playing' field. They won't allow what is effectively a private sector subsidy to stay in place long term.

Sure agencies adapt our offering, and ironically as a big player we anticipate taking market share being seen as a safe haven. Do I think it's right or fair? no.

I have said this enough times already, they want everyone to pay their fair share" of taxes. From the AS today, I think it's been posted somewhere already on the forum:

Expected ONS classification changes have added £12 billion since Budget.

And tax receipts have been lower than expected this year, causing the OBR to revise down projected revenues in future.

Added to this is a structural effect of rapidly rising incorporation and self-employment, which further erodes revenues.

That bit made me shudder. We have already had the dividend tax. VFRS now getting hit, I wouldn't be surprised to see what is happening in the public sector get pushed out to the private sector. 2019? Possibly. December 5th, can't wait

[jamesbrown]

Nope there is Spring Budget 2017, Autumn Budget 2017, Spring Statement 2018, Autumn Budget 2018.

The change will require another consultation document (albeit its probably a done deal already) and the earliest that could come out would be Autumn 2017. Personally I think they would wait a whole year so Consultation (which can be launched at any time provided people are notified) in Spring 2018, sign off Autumn 2018, live 5/4/19...

Ah yes, I see there is a Spring Budget 2017 (the last one). Still, too soon.

[SueEllen]

Not sure where you got that impression. I think it is going to be an unmitigated disaster with public sector bodies having to spend additional time and money resourcing much needed projects. It's at best wooden dollars, and worst putting public services in severe jeopardy when the big 4 get hired to plug the gaps compliantly at twice the price.

There is an elephant in the room - the big 4 also use contractors.

They like smaller consultancies simply don't have the expertise to fulfill all their government contracts particularly those in the back of beyond.

I've had them try to recruit me both for contracts and permie roles in the last 5 years.

[SussexSeagull]

I suspect in 5-10 years when all the court cases have gone through about people being categorised as employees wanting employee benefits like holiday contracting will end to be replaced by relatively well paid FTC.

[eek]

There is an elephant in the room - the big 4 also use contractors.

They like smaller consultancies simply don't have the expertise to fulfill all their government contracts particularly those in the back of beyond.

I've had them try to recruit me both for contracts and permie roles in the last 5 years.

Go back and look at example 3 (I think) in the consultation document. Were they to provide you to a public sector agency / department they would be fully in their rights to say sorry this contract is inside IR35 - We can however offer you this nice permie job which will allow you to claim expenses....

[Andy Hallett]

I wrote this a few weeks ago and updated it today when some of the detail came through.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/new-o...&trk=prof-post

[eek]

I wrote this a few weeks ago and updated it today when some of the detail came through.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/new-o...&trk=prof-post

Just responded to Lucy's umbrella comment regarding the real issue - expenses. Looks like I'm no longer working down in that London town...