Goodbye faithful retainer

[VectraMan]

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Why is it that people can't read instructions FFS - if you want to right click, just put two fingers on the mouse and click away. I actually miss this function on futurewife's laptop.
</rant>

As for Home & End keys, it's less of a rant, but you can mirror the windows behavior by remapping what ever key you want.

I think user interfaces should be intuitive - something I thought Macs were meant to be big on. You shouldn't have to read instructions to carry out basic tasks.

[oracleslave]

I think user interfaces should be intuitive - something I thought Macs were meant to be big on. You shouldn't have to read instructions to carry out basic tasks.

I concur

[DaveB]

Right Clicking in Windows isn't intuative if you've never done it before.

Anyway. nothing stopping you swapping the mac mouse for a standard 3 button ( or more ) wheel mouse. I use a 5 button optical on my iMac becasue I find it more comfortable, especially for using the "squeezy" side buttons.

[Moscow Mule]

I think user interfaces should be intuitive - something I thought Macs were meant to be big on. You shouldn't have to read instructions to carry out basic tasks.

Yep, it's true, you're too dumb to use a Mac. Best stick with Dell.

[oracleslave]

Right Clicking in Windows isn't intuative if you've never done it before.

Anyway. nothing stopping you swapping the mac mouse for a standard 3 button ( or more ) wheel mouse. I use a 5 button optical on my iMac becasue I find it more comfortable, especially for using the "squeezy" side buttons.

Yep, it's true, you're too dumb to use a Mac. Best stick with Dell.

The evangelical defense of macs and the obliviousness of their users to some simple flaws is hilarious

[HairyArsedBloke]

The evangelical defense of macs and the obliviousness of their users to some simple flaws is hilarious

Yeah, but it’s nice to see other gays/bi’s come out though.

[DaveB]

The evangelical defense of macs and the obliviousness of their users to some simple flaws is hilarious

No evangelical defences from me.

It's a fact that if you havnt had a reason to right click in windows or been show what it does there is no way of intuitivly knowing what it will do, it is just the way that Microsoft chose to implemented that functionality.

I'm actually suggesting that you get rid of the Apple mouse if you don't like it and replace it with something else. I happen to think the mouse is the weakest point on the desktop Macs, mainly because the side buttons that you squeeze are not very well implemented. Hence I use a standard 5 button mouse myself. I do miss the sidescrolling mouse ball on the Mac mouse though, especially on large spreadsheets.

[VectraMan]

Right Clicking in Windows isn't intuative if you've never done it before.

Right clicking for context menus have been common place since Windows 95, which is 13 years old now. I suppose if you've had your head stuck in the sand for 13 years, or you're only now using your very first computer, then it might confuse you. Plus if there's a button in front of you, you're going to try it.

I know Macs don't have right click, and it's always puzzled me that they'd got this far with such an obvious deficiency, but I assume Mac software is designed with that in mind and Mac aplogists don't feel it needs it. That may be true. But my point was if you're buying a MacBook as an alternative to a PC based laptop primarily to run Windows software believing that it does just as well because it can run XP, you'd struggle without the standard PC user interface.

But I was completely gobsmacked about the lack of home and end keys. Do Mac users not do text editing? It's just bizzarre that those are missing.

But I may be too dumb to buy an inferior product for twice the price just to get a trendy brand name. I'll stick with my Dell.

[Moscow Mule]

I know Macs don't have right click, and it's always puzzled me that they'd got this far with such an obvious deficiency, .

Once again, with the FUD. It does have a right click (or contextual menu to be more correct), it's just you didn't bother to find out how to use it.

FWIW, I'm with you on the home/end keys, but unlike you I've made the effort to find out how to make my OS of choice behave how I want it to.

[DaveB]

Right clicking for context menus have been common place since Windows 95, which is 13 years old now. I suppose if you've had your head stuck in the sand for 13 years, or you're only now using your very first computer, then it might confuse you. Plus if there's a button in front of you, you're going to try it.

Doesn't mean it's intuative, just that it has become the de facto standard in Windows.

I know Macs don't have right click, and it's always puzzled me that they'd got this far with such an obvious deficiency, but I assume Mac software is designed with that in mind and Mac aplogists don't feel it needs it.

They do, you click with both fingers on the mouse instead of just the left finger to get the same functionality. The Apple mouse has sensors under the shell that can pick up where you are clicking on it even though it only has "one button". But yes, most Mac software doesnt actually need you to right click to do stuff, unless it's the MS Office apps.

That may be true. But my point was if you're buying a MacBook as an alternative to a PC based laptop primarily to run Windows software believing that it does just as well because it can run XP, you'd struggle without the standard PC user interface.

You do get the standard windows interface, and you can just as easily use a standard 3 button USB mouse on it if you want to, and since it's a macbook the touchpad works identically on windows anyway.

But I was completely gobsmacked about the lack of home and end keys. Do Mac users not do text editing? It's just bizzarre that those are missing.

We do, and they are there, just not implemented in the same way as Windows. If you run XP on it they work exactly the same.

But I may be too dumb to buy an inferior product for twice the price just to get a trendy brand name. I'll stick with my Dell.

Suit yourself. I'm quite happy with superior build quality and style in a package that does everything I need.

I've used PC's for the best part of 20 years, started in DOS and went from there. Switched to a Mac last year and now I wouldnt go back. It's not perfect, no sytem is, but it knocks spots of a bog standard beige Wintel box.