Reply to: Unite warns against private sector rollout of IR35 changes

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But the whole system is abused when low paid BAU monkeys like PC get pushed into umbrellas.

Which is why unite and the other unions don’t want this rolled out without a cost free payment method.

[northernladyuk]

As Lucy would state herself - umbrella companies serve a purpose for contractors who want a hassle free life. Lower paid agency workers are a different market

But the whole system is abused when low paid BAU monkeys like PC get pushed into umbrellas.

[WordIsBond]

When did that happen?

It didn't. I said "allegedly".

[WordIsBond]

The unions view point is that in the same way an employee is offered £10 an hour and receives £10 an hour before employee NI and income tax is deducted an agency worker being offered £10 should also receive £10 before employee NI and income tax. The issue here is unions feel that agencies are advertising jobs at £10 an hour which is reality are only paying £8.50 or so an hour...

Yes. But that still isn't being taxed like millionaires, where there is 45% income tax, 2% NI, and 13.8% employer NI. It's propaganda.

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What's the logic of applying logic to union propaganda?

(Does anyone think they'd be speaking in these terms if it weren't an allegedly Tory government?)

The unions view point is that in the same way an employee is offered £10 an hour and receives £10 an hour before employee NI and income tax is deducted an agency worker being offered £10 should also receive £10 before employee NI and income tax. The issue here is unions feel that agencies are advertising jobs at £10 an hour which is reality are only paying £8.50 or so an hour...

[jamesbrown]

Tory government

When did that happen?

[WordIsBond]

Ignoring any jokes about millionaires not paying any tax...what's the logic of the above quote?! That they end up suffering the employer's NICs as well as employee's? Seems a daft comparison if so.

What's the logic of applying logic to union propaganda?

(Does anyone think they'd be speaking in these terms if it weren't an allegedly Tory government?)

[LondonManc]

Ignoring any jokes about millionaires not paying any tax...what's the logic of the above quote?! That they end up suffering the employer's NICs as well as employee's? Seems a daft comparison if so.

If might do if you're on £500/day but not if you're on £50/day

[NotAllThere]

Ignoring any jokes about millionaires not paying any tax...what's the logic of the above quote?!

The logic is irrelevant. It's a pithy slogan that the common person can understand. It also fairly well epitomises the plight of low-paid workers in umbrella companies - even if it is a tad hyperbolic.

[Maslins]

...being employed by umbrella companies and taxed like millionaires.

Ignoring any jokes about millionaires not paying any tax...what's the logic of the above quote?! That they end up suffering the employer's NICs as well as employee's? Seems a daft comparison if so.

[poorautojobber]

To say my mind is blown is an understatement. They hate umbrellas for a good reason low paid workers being pushed into them and let's not go into the dodgy ones.
A decent umbrella for a well paid individual that isn't using 'schemes' is a completely different animal.

[Tasslehoff]

My name?

Yes it's Gail Cartmail.

What? Gail Cartmail yes.

No it's not a joke, I am here to talk about seizing the means of production, this is very serious.

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[LoughriggFell]

After the NHS insisted that all agencies workers used an umbrella company eight months ago, it is almost a relief that the NHS is now aggressively phasing out umbrella companies, and replacing them with Staff Flow.

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Great news but for clarification, we still love you Lucy.

As Lucy would state herself - umbrella companies serve a purpose for contractors who want a hassle free life. Lower paid agency workers are a different market

[LondonManc]

Great news but for clarification, we still love you Lucy.