Reply to: NHS issues with 'rip off' agencies and expensive agency workers

[SueEllen]

Only entitled to statutory sick/maternity pay, but have the same final salary pension scheme as permanent staff (accruals are pro-rated If you work less than 37 hours per week).

It works well in our situation, as I have to move a lot for new roles so she can just join the bank in whatever area we move to and doesn't have to bother with interviews for permanent jobs.

With the decrease in stress and as long as you have a partner who earns a decent amount, then they are asking for people not to go permanent.

Then again I've heard stories of permanent NHS nursing staff, due to the lack of nursing staff, telling the managers that I can't go into work with problems ranging from real family problems, being really ill and stress related conditions. Anything else is stamped on. This means if you have a sick child, even if the child is in hospital, the parent has to swap shifts.

[Actuary]

Does she get a pension and sick pay?

One of my sister-in-laws has had to take early medical retirement due to injury from the job, and another was of sick for 2 months. The sickness was due to failures in primary care.

Only entitled to statutory sick/maternity pay, but have the same final salary pension scheme as permanent staff (accruals are pro-rated If you work less than 37 hours per week).

It works well in our situation, as I have to move a lot for new roles so she can just join the bank in whatever area we move to and doesn't have to bother with interviews for permanent jobs.

[SueEllen]

Does she get a pension and sick pay?

One of my sister-in-laws has had to take early medical retirement due to injury from the job, and another was of sick for 2 months. The sickness was due to failures in primary care.

[psychocandy]

If he stays off the topic of contracting he can actually make some sense sometimes.

Aw I'm getting a bit of a warm and fuzzy feeling now

[northernladuk]

I was going to say that was psychos best post for a while

If he stays off the topic of contracting he can actually make some sense sometimes.

[psychocandy]

just need a nurse to jump ship the day before his big op - it's her professional right after all

Most nursing assignments are short term (like for one shift etc) rather than months like this so not relevant. A lot of the time the NHS employer will phone agency to ask for nurse later that day or next day. Often its caused by illness or surprisingly holidays when there are just not enough staff.

Point being - people will still moan that it costs a lot of money but, newsflash, this sort of availability costs money.

But then they'd also be the first to moan if they got told, sorry we've cancelled your op, we dont have enough of a budget to cover this sickness in perm staff, and we know you've got an issue with wasting money on agency so we know you'd want us to do this. Yeh right.

[MrMarkyMark]

oops

just need a nurse to jump ship the day before his big op - it's her professional right after all

Obviously, whether its a big op, or not, depends on the size of his appendage

[LondonManc]

just need a nurse to jump ship the day before his big op - it's her professional right after all

[gables]

I was going to say that was psychos best post for a while

oops

Still it's an encouraging sign from PC :-)

[MrMarkyMark]

I already said that

I was going to say that was psychos best post for a while

[gables]

My Mrs is a nurse and the use of bank/agency is widespread. Why? Because they don't employ enough nurses to start with so as soon as someone goes sick they're screwed. Also, sometimes things are so badly managed nurses think stuff it Im pulling a sickie.

Unfortunately, if you're a nurse who takes advantage of agency work the general consensus is you're screwing the NHS funds. There are a lot of people out there who seem to think that you should do it for free I'm sure. But they'd be the first to moan if they can't have an op because the trust havent got staff to cover.

I already said that

[psychocandy]

My Mrs is a nurse and the use of bank/agency is widespread. Why? Because they don't employ enough nurses to start with so as soon as someone goes sick they're screwed. Also, sometimes things are so badly managed nurses think stuff it Im pulling a sickie.

Unfortunately, if you're a nurse who takes advantage of agency work the general consensus is you're screwing the NHS funds. There are a lot of people out there who seem to think that you should do it for free I'm sure. But they'd be the first to moan if they can't have an op because the trust havent got staff to cover.

[MrMarkyMark]

I could write a book on the NHS and whats wrong with it (from a contractors point of view in I.T.)

I have just done 2 years as a migration engineer for a couple of large southern based trust, and worked for (in a total of ) 3 Hospital Trust. The land where nothing gets done anytime soon, where contractors do a LOT of the work, whilst permies shoot the breeze, where since they got rid of all the contractors NOTHING gets done. Managers have endless meetings about meetings, then more meetings about errrr meetings. Project managers climb the slippery pole and only survive as PM`s because they have little ability and would find it difficult to survive in the real world. Oh and one of the best blame cultures I have experienced. There is more than a lot wrong, meanwhile the clinical staff get less and less, and are expected to perform more and more. TBH I am glad to be out of it. Would I work in it as a permie ? NOT A CHANCE !

Plenty like that in the private sector, too.

[Yonmons]

I could write a book on the NHS and whats wrong with it (from a contractors point of view in I.T.)

I have just done 2 years as a migration engineer for a couple of large southern based trust, and worked for (in a total of ) 3 Hospital Trust. The land where nothing gets done anytime soon, where contractors do a LOT of the work, whilst permies shoot the breeze, where since they got rid of all the contractors NOTHING gets done. Managers have endless meetings about meetings, then more meetings about errrr meetings. Project managers climb the slippery pole and only survive as PM`s because they have little ability and would find it difficult to survive in the real world. Oh and one of the best blame cultures I have experienced. There is more than a lot wrong, meanwhile the clinical staff get less and less, and are expected to perform more and more. TBH I am glad to be out of it. Would I work in it as a permie ? NOT A CHANCE !

[SpontaneousOrder]

“If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?"

I…don't know. What…could he do? What would you tell him?"

To shrug.”

I see it coming. With the producers feeling some misconceived obligation to sponsor the more numerous less productive/net consumers to breed more consumers, without economic concern, there will come a point where those producers just decide it isn't worth it anymore.

Regression at worst, stagnation at best. Progress unlikely.