Reply to: Gee thanks Microsoft

[xoggoth]

Probably we are looking at different things. Webpages, as in actually on the internet, not my main concern, rather complex interactives that run in a browser object within .net progs. IE constructs make life much easier for that.

[TheRefactornator]

We often have this standards argument here. It would be nice, this took ages to get working in IE and Firefox, basically it is two completely different lots of code.

Hmm yes. Not quite right on IE8 but fine on FF 3.0.10. Please make your cheque payable to cash.

[Ardesco]

Often wish that others would follow Microsoft's jscript and not the other way round, many of the things MS do are a lot more sensible.

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BURN IM!!!

Sorry but I have to say that the MS JavaScript engine is one thing I really wish they would strip out and throw away. It mind numbingly slow and on complex pages with lots of data pretty much kills the browsing experience.

Slightly OT, but we could really do with an angry mob smiley with pitch forks and flaming torches!!!

[xoggoth]

At least the updates would have been fairly easy if not for the serial number check not working since I switched website from PHP4 to PHP5 yesterday to start to fix the Worldpay callback not working properly due to them becoming RBS Worldpay the other week and some bastards hacking my mailer! Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

We often have this standards argument here. It would be nice, this took ages to get working in IE and Firefox, basically it is two completely different lots of code.

Often wish that others would follow Microsoft's jscript and not the other way round, many of the things MS do are a lot more sensible. For example, automatically expanding height of an element to accomodate the contained text and having jscript that provides that actual height, providing numeric versions of size/position without having to strip off/add px. And why don't Firefox etc have decent filters?

[MPwannadecentincome]

I get problems even in compatibility mode with IE8 on this site with the reply input box I am typing in now does not even align with the rest of the page!

Not sure how to put an image up - much easier to explain with a screen shot.

[thunderlizard]

Why they have to decide to conform to standard now I have no idea.

Joel Spolsky has a great explanation of the subject (which doesn't ultimately come to a conclusion)
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2008/03/17.html

[TheRefactornator]

The joys of CSS, most pleasurable part of any project

Contractor at client co recently redid the website and asked me for any pointers or cross browser compatibility because it looked like crap in firefox. I pointed him to a CSS site which listed different browser compatibility levels. He came back a few hours later explaining the way to get the desired look in firefox is to use tables to position all the elements instead

Ah the old strategy of developing with and targetting IE and then realising later that not everyone actually uses it and your public facing system is in reality completely pants. Even I know that the most reasonable way to attempt multi browser support is to start with a standards compliant browser for development and testing and then add your IE specific CSS hacks later if necessary. And I'm not a web developer and I am benched! arrggg.

[Jaws]

'Tis fun trying to support web applications on a myriad of browser platforms no?

The joys of CSS, most pleasurable part of any project

Contractor at client co recently redid the website and asked me for any pointers or cross browser compatibility because it looked like crap in firefox. I pointed him to a CSS site which listed different browser compatibility levels. He came back a few hours later explaining the way to get the desired look in firefox is to use tables to position all the elements instead

[TheRefactornator]

+1 for IE8 here. At least Microsoft are trying to do the right thing by going down the standards route. Just because their browser has historically been cack, that doesn't mean it has to stay that way despite every man and his dog having developed websites and web apps to cope with the cackness. It is going in the right direction at last.

IE8 release has undoubtedly caused many problems but we'll get over that in fairly short order. Now all that's left is for Microsoft to somehow drop ActiveX support entirely. I'm not sure how they'll go about that one, but whoever originally came up with that idea should be linched.

'Tis fun trying to support web applications on a myriad of browser platforms no?

[xoggoth]

Testing of Beta and RC versions? Sounds a bit serious for a retirement hobby, that.

Fortunately, providing an update is not difficult, just annoying.

[Durbs]

And I only got a new CD run copied a few days ago! I hate em!!! Anyone else heard of script problems with this version?

Did your testing of the Beta and RC versions of IE8 not show up these issues?

[BrilloPad]

I installed IE8 last week with no issues. I prefer it to IE7.

[Ardesco]

Does it break when in IE7 compatibility mode? If not you can supply a FAQ telling people how to switch on IE7 compatibility mode, and a quick fix for the foreseeable future would be to add the following meta tag:

<meta http-equiv="X-UA-Compatible" content="IE=EmulateIE7" />

My top tip for the future would be code it in Firefox with the use of the wonderful Firebug and then hack it for the various flavours of IE afterwards

[xoggoth]

I find the fault was actually mine as I had used screen.Width instead of the correct screen.width but it was fully tested and always worked fine before. Why they have to decide to conform to standard now I have no idea. Bet there will be a few website errors if they have decided to tighten up on all the other sloppy things.

[blacjac]

I updated the home lappy with it and have had loads of problems.

It does make CUK look more like when logged on with firefox, but Google AdWords won't let you create a new campaign with it.

Also get lots of errors on various places telling me to upgrade from IE6 to IE7.....