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  • Hobosapien
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    Originally posted by Lance View Post
    Cashback is what makes those little bags of tulipe worthwhile. At full price they're crap.
    Who wants tin these days anyway? Embrace the cloud.

    Yup, seems sane to have at least one cloud backup (fully encrypted of course) alongside the bit-rotting rusty hard drive local storage.

    Been looking into Backblaze B2 which appears cheaper than the other big providers. There are smaller providers that may be cheaper buy they're probably virtual clouds where they archive it on their home NAS with SSDs.

    xkcd: The Cloud

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  • sal
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    Originally posted by Lance View Post
    Cashback is what makes those little bags of tulipe worthwhile. At full price they're crap.
    Who wants tin these days anyway? Embrace the cloud.
    Exactly I got 3 gen.8s, 2 of them are in operation the 3rd one is sitting in the box for spare parts. Got them for like £70 after cashback, which is the price of a decent case alone.

    If you are semi-comfortable installing an OS, they are by far the best choice for NAS, considering that anything that comes even remotely close to their performance and capabilities from the likes of QNAP and Synology costs £500+

    Sadly HP removed the iLO in Gen.10 and went for tulipy AMP SoC. Really looking forward to Gen.11 and some EPYC based SoC. 10/10 would upgrade. Until then the venerable gen.8 are going strong.

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by Hobosapien View Post
    Both of my HP Microservers have developed different faults over the last couple of years. Tried swapping mobos, which is a bit of a faff with how it's all packed into a small form factor, but didn't manage to get one working so I presume it's the mobo causing the issue in both cases rather than say a dodgy PSU or ram.

    Maybe the newer generations are more robust but if they're still doing the cashback then maybe it is a case of you get what you pay for, or maybe I've just been unlucky and they are getting on a bit anyway.
    Cashback is what makes those little bags of tulipe worthwhile. At full price they're crap.
    Who wants tin these days anyway? Embrace the cloud.

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  • Hobosapien
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    Both of my HP Microservers have developed different faults over the last couple of years. Tried swapping mobos, which is a bit of a faff with how it's all packed into a small form factor, but didn't manage to get one working so I presume it's the mobo causing the issue in both cases rather than say a dodgy PSU or ram.

    Maybe the newer generations are more robust but if they're still doing the cashback then maybe it is a case of you get what you pay for, or maybe I've just been unlucky and they are getting on a bit anyway.

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  • techperson
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    HP Microserver is a good choice for freenas, has hot swap and costs around £300 ans giver better performance than any NAS at this price range. If you are not keen on FreeBSD/*nix world, WIndows 10 PRO with REFS on the storage volumes works absolutely fine as well. You put a small SSD as boot drive for OS and then add 4 HDDs in REFS raid volume.

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  • Platypus
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    Originally posted by Dark Black View Post
    Another vote for Synology
    I went with QNAP... and kinda wish I'd gone Synology. Fan on the QNAP can be noisy. Really it needs replacing, I think the bearing is going.


    Originally posted by Dark Black View Post
    There's the argument of whether or not to spin down HDDs when not in use
    Like you, I went with "always on always spinning", there was something at the back of my mind telling me (maybe from history) that spinning drives up and down all the time shortens their lives.

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  • Dark Black
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    Another vote for Synology having taken the plunge and upgraded from my old Netgear Duo NAS earlier this year. (The Netgear ran fine for 8 years or so with Seagate HDDS btw)

    Not the original question but for interest, I looked at lots of NAS boxes before I upgraded, shortlisted to Synology and QNAP in the end. It was very close but eventually went for the former. I'm sure the QNAP would be perform excellently too.

    Been running WD Red drives in the new NAS, also ran a pair for a couple of years in the old Netgear box without issue.

    Concur what's been said about buying your drives from different vendors ideally over a spread of time to minimise the chance of getting all from the same batch.

    There's the argument of whether or not to spin down HDDs when not in use (not an issue with SSD obviously). I'm still undecided on this but currently leave them spinning given the Reds are spec'd for 24/7 running (as I understand it anyway)

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  • Platypus
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    And I believe that Intel SSD have build in self-destruct too :-/


    https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/...g61x2fpnq0fi00

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by Platypus View Post
    Personally, I'd avoid Seagate and WD HDD like the plague.

    HDS (now HGST) and Toshiba consistently come out top in these reports:
    Hard Drive Reliability in 2019: Failure Rates of 108,461 Drives

    I'm sure lots of people will be along to point out that HGST is now a subsidiary of WD.

    I had a crop of Seagate 6TB drives a few years ago, that all failed within 12 months.

    I have Hitachi drives in my NAS, which I bought after a lot of research. I'd love SSD but prices are still too high, £1000 for 4TB. I could buy all my movies and TV from Apple for less than the £4k cost of SSDs for my NAS
    HPE Support document - HPE Support Center

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  • TwoWolves
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    Seagate are fine but make sure you get the enterprise disks and not from China, the Thai fabs have much lower failure rates. I have never lost a disk in 30 years of trading.

    SSD is not reliable over time yet, iron still best for long-term storage.

    Synology and their ilk offer energy-efficient file storage and useful tooling. Mine is now 10 years old without a glitch.

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  • sal
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    Full SSD NAS is waste of money, there are HDDs with equal reliability at a fraction of the cost. If you still want to splash out make sure, that the OS supports SSDs. Lack of Trim and similar functions will shorten the life of your SSDs dramatically.

    Personally I prefer my own box, rather than paying a massive price premium to the likes of Synology and QNAP. I have 2 gen8 HP microservers NAS boxes running for over 6 years without issues. Popular OSes for homebrew NAS boxes are FreeNAS and unRAID. I'm using the latter as it allows for complete mix and match of disk sizes and can be expanded on demand, unlike the ZFS used by FreeNAS (and most other) which once build is rather rigid.

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  • unixman
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    I agree SSD disks are pointless in a domestic NAS. They are sweet in a laptop though, really make it fly.

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  • Snarf
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    I have a decade old Netgear Stora with two 500GB seagate disks configured in RAID1.

    Ive had two disk failures in 10 years.. one because I dropped the disk enclosure while powered up from the above head height shelf that it sits on and once just through general aging of the disks...

    Realistically I'd consider that to be one disk failure in 10 years which is pretty good.

    Its been a while since I opened it up but I think that its Seagate low power disks that I have in there, no complaints (Well except that the amount of storage is pitiful by today's standards.

    I cant see the benefit in using SSDs for a home/small office NAS - the performance isnt needed, the reliability is about the same and the cost per gb of SSD is considerably more.

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  • unixman
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    For storing and viewing movies, a Raspberry Pi connected to a big disk might work better than an old laptop. The laptop will require significant power, aside from the disk power requirements. (My own laptop takes 50W - including the internal disk, or course). The Pi will need just 6W or so. Full NAS software isn't really required for just storing files. The Pi is able to share disks without additional software, and it can do RAID if needed (using LVM).

    The latest Pi, model 4, can saturate a gigabit lan for reading, and gets about 50% saturation for writing. The Pi 2 is limited to fast ethernet speeds (about 10 megabytes/s in practice) and the Pi 3, despite its gig interface, maxes out at about 15 megabytes/s I believe.

    According to my tests, streaming humble SD and HD video takes network bandwidth of about half and 1 megabyte/s respectively. 4k will be much more, I haven't tested it.

    Attach a large USB memory stick to a Pi, and you can have a "NAS" of bizarrely small capacity (<= 512GB) but requiring 6W or less. An external 2.5 USB disk will add only a couple of Watts I think.

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  • b0redom
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    Another vote for FreeNAS. IMO ZFS > ext3/4/BTRFS.

    I use RAID Z2 on mine. SSDs are pointless for me. It will saturate the gigE, and lives in a cupboard under the stairs.

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