Hypothetical Question

[GhostofTarbera]

I worked with a guy who claimed exactly that, and ended up getting audited because of it.

HMRC went back to all his clients from previous 4 years and demanded everything they all had on him, dug up all the muck they could. There had been things like 'employee surveys' he had refused to complete but clients had talked him into it as it was 'just between them', email signatures, going to company social events, etc., all details of which were hastily handed over to hmrc and used against him. When he contacted the ex-clients they didn't want to know. Clients only care about themselves and will sell you out without hesitation. He went through 3yrs of hell while they slowly tortured him.

Sounds about the average HMRC experience to me


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[mockedguy]

and that the kitchen extension was also a company expense

I worked with a guy who claimed exactly that, and ended up getting audited because of it.

HMRC went back to all his clients from previous 4 years and demanded everything they all had on him, dug up all the muck they could. There had been things like 'employee surveys' he had refused to complete but clients had talked him into it as it was 'just between them', email signatures, going to company social events, etc., all details of which were hastily handed over to hmrc and used against him. When he contacted the ex-clients they didn't want to know. Clients only care about themselves and will sell you out without hesitation. He went through 3yrs of hell while they slowly tortured him.

[eek]

Not easy to find as the outside inside lot and nothing much in the way of penalties...

Next....

Wnluks

3 months ain’t worth the hassle nor the paperwork - don't stress about it.

remember the tweet from earlier this week HMRC will get more than enough from those who have been there 2 years plus

[Jim Spector]

Wrong forum for the "come at me" bait.

Sensible: assuming Jan 2020 start, that's only three months. Retrospectively treat those three months as inside and pay the taxes due.

Let’s also say that the contract was reviewed and classed as outside, and working practices in accordance. TLC35 policy in place for all previous work. Perm role is different job title etc. Do you see any grounds for as you say treating the 3 months as inside? (Also given the client determination was a blanket, not case by case)

[ladymuck]

You could find you your next door neighbour is PC who's best mates with your other neighbour who tuns out to be Mb31 who is married to JtB.

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Damn... That's harsh

[northernladuk]

You could find you your next door neighbour is PC who's best mates with your other neighbour who tuns out to be Mb31 who is married to JtB.

/thread

[ladymuck]

Wrong forum for the "come at me" bait.

Sensible: assuming Jan 2020 start, that's only three months. Retrospectively treat those three months as inside and pay the taxes due.

Alternative: building on WiB's tale. After your wife has run off with the HMRC inspector, he literally and figuratively pumps her for information about the way you run your LtdCo, hearing about how you put a 75" TV through the company as a "monitor" and that the kitchen extension was also a company expense so you could reclaim the VAT. Suntanned and relaxed from a holiday at your expense, he realised he's now got the clap and opens an enquiry into all your past contracts and hauls your fevered arse over coals. You fail to lube up in time and end up sore in places you never knew existed.

[Jim Spector]

Worse could be

Goes to toilet Friday afternoon, dies of heart attack mid poo and not found till Monday morning, without getting his time sheet signed


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Death in service would apply if not found until Monday, but nice try!

[GhostofTarbera]

Let’s say there is a fictitious contractor in contract at client since Jan. Blanket inside determination by client. Perm offer made. What’s the likely worst that could happen re retro liabilities if perm offer is accepted? Come at me!

Worse could be

Goes to toilet Friday afternoon, dies of heart attack mid poo and not found till Monday morning, without getting his time sheet signed


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[WordIsBond]

Oh, and a word of advice, never ask what's the worst that can happen and then say "Come at me."

[WordIsBond]

The HMRC inspector that comes after you sits across the table from you and sneezes all over you, you get coronavirus, and after infecting everyone you care about you survive, but everyone you know now hates you for it. While you are delirious with a high fever, your wife empties all your accounts, pays for an expensive holiday for two with your credit card, and goes off with the HMRC inspector, who has fully recovered.

[northernladuk]

Not easy to find as the outside inside lot and nothing much in the way of penalties...

Next....

[Jim Spector]

Let’s say there is a fictitious contractor in contract at client since Jan. Blanket inside determination by client. Perm offer made. What’s the likely worst that could happen re retro liabilities if perm offer is accepted? Come at me!