Is a status determination applied to a role or to a worker?

[BR14]

Exactly this. Bearing in mind the impact is likely to be a 35% cut in income, risk of retrospective action and may require you quit your client in the next 3 weeks which could lead to a very long and painful period in the bench and/or going permanent.

Longer term it could spell the worst period in contracting ever with the whole landscape changing for a long period of time.

All this and it lands in 6 weeks.....

So the question itself may not be thst dumb, poorly researched and lazy possibly. To ask this level of question at this time is just.. Well....

Sadly I'm sure someone will exactly this weeks after April but I'm sure I'll be waiting for my ban to expire when they do.

i might beat you to it

[northernladuk]

Considering it's a 20 year old piece of legislation that fundamentally affects the way contractors work, I'm a bit surprised you don't think it important enough to make the effort to be aware of it and its potential impact on your business.

It's like being a pie maker and saying "I didn't realise that I needed to know about food hygiene and labelling, what a faff". Every business owner should make themselves aware of the legislation that affects them.

Exactly this. Bearing in mind the impact is likely to be a 35% cut in income, risk of retrospective action and may require you quit your client in the next 3 weeks which could lead to a very long and painful period in the bench and/or going permanent.

Longer term it could spell the worst period in contracting ever with the whole landscape changing for a long period of time.

All this and it lands in 6 weeks.....

So the question itself may not be thst dumb, poorly researched and lazy possibly. To ask this level of question at this time is just.. Well....

Sadly I'm sure someone will ask exactly this weeks after April but I'm sure I'll be waiting for my ban to expire when they do.

[ladymuck]

Thanks for a polite and useful answer.

Yes, I've been on here a long time but, unlike some others, I don't spend my every waking moment studying posts and revising IR35. I've already learned more about the whole thing than I ever wanted to know, I have plenty of other things I'd prefer to be doing.

Considering it's a 20 year old piece of legislation that fundamentally affects the way contractors work, I'm a bit surprised you don't think it important enough to make the effort to be aware of it and its potential impact on your business.

It's like being a pie maker and saying "I didn't realise that I needed to know about food hygiene and labelling, what a faff". Every business owner should make themselves aware of the legislation that affects them.

[jamesbrown]

It isn't a stupid question in the sense that a client may regard all workers within a particular role category as doing essentially the same thing in the same way, so they could reasonably (meaning, with reasonable care) decide that all of those workers have the same status.

But, in principle, a status determination applies to a particular contractor whose working practices are observed under a particular (hypothetical) contract.

[Snooky]

Long story short.

Neither. It belongs to an individual contract. There may be two roles for Java Developer at ClientCo. For example, a company might be testing what they get for an Inside IR35 contract and what they get for an Outside IR35 for such purposes as making the necessary changes to attract the best talent should it be worth it. Deliverables and working practices should vary significantly between the two.

Thanks for a polite and useful answer.

Yes, I've been on here a long time but, unlike some others, I don't spend my every waking moment studying posts and revising IR35. I've already learned more about the whole thing than I ever wanted to know, I have plenty of other things I'd prefer to be doing.

[LondonManc]

I assume a role, because otherwise substitution would never be a factor, but not quite sure. Does anyone have a definitive answer?

Long story short.

Neither. It belongs to an individual contract. There may be two roles for Java Developer at ClientCo. For example, a company might be testing what they get for an Inside IR35 contract and what they get for an Outside IR35 for such purposes as making the necessary changes to attract the best talent should it be worth it. Deliverables and working practices should vary significantly between the two.

[northernladuk]

It's not such a dumb question

Believe me it is.

[northernladuk]

The sticky says we can't be mean to noobs asking daft questions but this one has to be the exception to the rule surely.

[Snooky]

Jesus ******* wept...

It's not such a dumb question - as far as I can tell it's not defined anywhere in the HMRC guidance.

But as you're so ****ing smart, perhaps you can just drop the answer here instead of your usual smart@rse taunts.

[LondonManc]

Jesus ******* wept...

Someone send NLUK a teddy bear, choccy bar and some Play Doh quick.

OP, you've been on here 8 yars and don't know? Really?

[northernladuk]

Jesus ******* wept...

[Snooky]

I assume a role, because otherwise substitution would never be a factor, but not quite sure. Does anyone have a definitive answer?