Reply to: What is the general % split between public sector contracts being In or Out of IR35?

[northernladuk]

Both

Need to get on top of your research then if you are trying to make a plan but don't know some of the basics

Expenses and inside IR35 here...
Which expenses can contractors claim when working inside IR35?

[Cran]

Are you asking to clarify Cojaks comment or are you asking about rules around expenses on inside gigs?

Both

[northernladuk]

...because you can't claim travel expenses in IR35?

Are you asking to clarify Cojaks comment or are you asking about rules around expenses on inside gigs?

[JoJoGabor]

...because you can't claim travel expenses in IR35?

No, because they are boring, political and very inefficient, instilling thoughts of "where did my life go so wrong?"

[Cran]

Public Sector contracts are only worth it if there's a short commute involved.

...because you can't claim travel expenses in IR35?

[cojak]

No, 95% get exactly the same rate


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Public Sector contracts are only worth it if there's a short commute involved.

[GhostofTarbera]

I'm about to buy a house and trying to anticipate my likely income over the next 10 years.

10% sounds reasonable, so its pretty unlikely that I will find a contract Out of IR35.

For public sector contracts, have contractors been able to ask for an extra £50-100 per day to cover the loss of earnings or are clients offering slightly high rates? I think to earn the same as I was before, I'd need to charge £170 extra per day, which I can't see happening.

Again, just trying to gauge the feeling, rather than an exact number

No, 95% get exactly the same rate


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[WordIsBond]

Even if you could find such cases - PsychoCandy managed to get a rate increase, for example (I know, right?) - I don't think they'll be representative, post April 2020. Up until April 2020, the PS has been at a disadvantage and needed to attract people. That will change in April 2020.

Right. If it is only 10%, my guess is there won't be much of an uplift. If it is 25-30%, you'll start to see a difference. The more outside jobs there are, the fewer contractors will want to accept the inside jobs. The result will be, over time, that more clients will be willing to structure jobs to be outside, or willing to pay more for the inside jobs.

[jamesbrown]

I'm about to buy a house and trying to anticipate my likely income over the next 10 years.

10% sounds reasonable, so its pretty unlikely that I will find a contract Out of IR35.

For public sector contracts, have contractors been able to ask for an extra £50-100 per day to cover the loss of earnings or are clients offering slightly high rates? I think to earn the same as I was before, I'd need to charge £170 extra per day, which I can't see happening.

Again, just trying to gauge the feeling, rather than an exact number

Even if you could find such cases - PsychoCandy managed to get a rate increase, for example (I know, right?) - I don't think they'll be representative, post April 2020. Up until April 2020, the PS has been at a disadvantage and needed to attract people. That will change in April 2020.

[Cran]

I'm about to buy a house and trying to anticipate my likely income over the next 10 years.

10% sounds reasonable, so its pretty unlikely that I will find a contract Out of IR35.

For public sector contracts, have contractors been able to ask for an extra £50-100 per day to cover the loss of earnings or are clients offering slightly high rates? I think to earn the same as I was before, I'd need to charge £170 extra per day, which I can't see happening.

Again, just trying to gauge the feeling, rather than an exact number

[northernladuk]

90% I would say


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I'd say thats 80% accurate.

[northernladuk]

I know we can't compare them exactly, I'm just looking for a rough order of magnitude. 1%, 10%, 50% ?

I don't know anyone contracting in the public sector, so I have no idea what's actually happened and I'm interested to hear what people have seen happen.

Why, if you don't mind me asking? What is the point you are trying to make? A percentage is pointless if you don't know the number of gigs out there.

[cojak]

90% I would say


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A reasonable number I reckon. Let’s hope it’s as high as 10% outside.

[GhostofTarbera]

90% I would say


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[Cran]

I know we can't compare them exactly, I'm just looking for a rough order of magnitude. 1%, 10%, 50% ?

I don't know anyone contracting in the public sector, so I have no idea what's actually happened and I'm interested to hear what people have seen happen.