Reply to: A few Questions.

[LondonManc]

Bit harsh on a newbie on the forum I think but thanks for the critique anyway....if it comes down to the subtle use of words then quite honestly I shan't bother to ask for advice again.... sorry to have troubled you.

It's the sort of mentality that can get you caught though; saying manager is one thing - it generally means hiring manager or client manager - but line manager infers line management and permiedom.

You'll have realised that NLUK is a grumpy pedant but has the best intentions to educate - that's why he's in IT and not teaching. He has all the bedside manners of Sweeney Todd.

[notahappybunny]

Newbie to forum but not a newbie contractor I'd guess?

No trouble snowflake. Always happy to help.

Ah bless you sweetie....stay well won't you.

Bye everybody and thanks to those that actually try to help other in a polite manner.

[northernladuk]

Bit harsh on a newbie on the forum I think but thanks for the critique anyway....if it comes down to the subtle use of words then quite honestly I shan't bother to ask for advice again.... sorry to have troubled you.

Newbie to forum but not a newbie contractor I'd guess?

No trouble snowflake. Always happy to help.

[Andy Hallett]

Bit harsh on a newbie on the forum I think but thanks for the critique anyway....if it comes down to the subtle use of words then quite honestly I shan't bother to ask for advice again.... sorry to have troubled you.

NLUK has a valid point, just expressed in a very gruff way.

[notahappybunny]

I might being pedantic but if you can't think like a contractor/business then how can expect to be treated like one. No amount of tests/contracts/WPs can save you if you have a permie mentality.

Bit harsh on a newbie on the forum I think but thanks for the critique anyway....if it comes down to the subtle use of words then quite honestly I shan't bother to ask for advice again.... sorry to have troubled you.

[northernladuk]

Wrong phrase then sorry, the person that I directly liaise with on behalf of the Trust.

I might being pedantic but if you can't think like a contractor/business then how can expect to be treated like one. No amount of tests/contracts/WPs can save you if you have a permie mentality.

[notahappybunny]

The fact you think you've got a line manager.

Wrong phrase then sorry, the person that I directly liaise with on behalf of the Trust.

[northernladuk]

Where do you get that from?

The fact you think you've got a line manager.

[notahappybunny]

Besides the fact that you are totally inside you mean? :

Where do you get that from?

[northernladuk]

Little update:

Line manager is "stressed" to say the least so PSB (Trust) has now agreed to use the QDOS tool and compare with my results if I do it also. Anything to be concerned about or consider?.

Besides the fact that you are totally inside you mean? :

[notahappybunny]

Little update:

Line manager is "stressed" to say the least so PSB (Trust) has now agreed to use the QDOS tool and compare with my results if I do it also. Anything to be concerned about or consider?

Current contract with this PSB started Nov, after voluntarily having a few months off, and currently due to end Mid May.

[eek]

In respect of the retrospective tax grab, I have been in my current contract since 15th Nov. If I were to stay and accept inside IR35 and HMRC say I need to pay tax back to 15th Nov, would they continue to look into my contracts prior to this one. I am aware that they can go back 6 yrs.

I suppose what I'm saying is, is looking back to the start date of your current contract likely to be a gateway to a full investigation for last 6 years?

Pass - truthful answer is that nobody knows.

[hollyblue]

Yes, the larger concern would be the retrospective tax grab if you've been at the PS department a while. New department, new agency would be best and it's a whole new negotiation. The more contractors that leave, the better really because it shows how one idiot can bring the whole public sector into chaos with them even being an MP.

In respect of the retrospective tax grab, I have been in my current contract since 15th Nov. If I were to stay and accept inside IR35 and HMRC say I need to pay tax back to 15th Nov, would they continue to look into my contracts prior to this one. I am aware that they can go back 6 yrs.

I suppose what I'm saying is, is looking back to the start date of your current contract likely to be a gateway to a full investigation for last 6 years?

[bobspud]

That's not the lesson they need to learn.

The lesson they need to learn is that if you wants things to be delivered you need to pay the market rate and that means IT people will need to be paid far more than other workers so you better redesign your pay scales...

And that requires a lot of mugging by the big 4 consultancies before it dawns on them that they can't outsource their projects...

All paying them well achieves is getting well paid people that have no motivation to leave. Thats why contractors are so in valuable to them. We actually like to leave at the end of a gig. I was chatting to one of the guys where I am and he said do you realise for someone that has never been one, you have a very successful Civil Service career...

[eek]

They don't need to learn. They are already well aware that the big four screw the pooch.

I know a program that is pooing itself at the moment as they are about to get audited and are wondering:

a) where all their money went
b) what the toe rags produced for that money

Answer is they have been mugged...

That's not the lesson they need to learn.

The lesson they need to learn is that if you wants things to be delivered you need to pay the market rate and that means IT people will need to be paid far more than other workers so you better redesign your pay scales...

And that requires a lot of mugging by the big 4 consultancies before it dawns on them that they can't outsource their projects...