Reply to: Uninsured Drivers

[AtW]

This is clearly wrong - I don't understand why CPS did not appeal to take it to higher courts because its way too lenient - he should have been jailed for many years even if he was insured and allowed to drive.

[lilelvis2000]

Breaking driving ban is a serious offence that will lead to prison sentense.

riiiight... like the guy in rochdale

http://www.rochdaleobserver.co.uk/ne...es_prison.html

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....m_just_76.html

[Pondlife]

Bloody hell AtW. Why not just go the whole hog and implant everyone with a chip and introduce a curfew so that they're not driving at night.

[AtW]

And of course you will need to register details of your ID Card in order to register on forums etc.

[AtW]

do you really think the biometric tests will be done every time there is an identity query?

Yes: a mobile finger print scanners in the field everywhere - their purpose is to:

1) If card is carried with the person: scan finger and send (wirelessly in encrypted fashion) it to central database with hashcode stored in card - database returns either MATCH (that finger is indeed associated with given card) or ARREST

2) If card is not present: scan finger and send (wirelessly in encrypted fashion) it to central database: database returns either CLEAR (such person is registered in database and not wanted for offences) or ARREST.

3) Same as above but database may be used for monetary transactions like debit card, this will be the only legal way to pay so that IR has got full history (available without any need for court order), cash is outlawed.

[BlasterBates]

Why not sue ? Does this cost if he's guilty ? Isn't he supposed to pay costs of he loses, which obviously he will.

[Paddy]

ID "cards" will be biometric, they will be very good at stopping this very problem.

B-locks. The draft law gives 14 days to produce the ID card when asked by the Police. Non official residents (and we know who they are) will not need them, and do you really think the biometric tests will be done every time there is an identity query? The eyeball scan does not work with 25% of the population and the finger print recognition fails around 10% of time. Are you expecting to work on the ID Card project or something

[AtW]

ID cards will not stop this problem

ID "cards" will be biometric, they will be very good at stopping this very problem.

[Paddy]

ID cards?

The problem of uninsured and drivers without licenses was discussed on the radio a couple of weeks ago. A police officer in Bradford was saying that many families with the same surname and similar looks were sharing one driving license between family and friends. ID cards will not stop this problem; it will just cut out the common sense aspect.

[BoredBloke]

"Well, what are you suggesting then - remove incentive to plead guilty to have full blown trials all the time at great expense?"

If there is sooooo much evidence against somebody then they shouldn't be given the reduced time in jail. If it is an open and shut case then why reward them. If there is a margin of doubt then the reduced time served should be by negotiation - not an automatic 50% reduction.

[AtW]

Well, what are you suggesting then - remove incentive to plead guilty to have full blown trials all the time at great expense?

Those guys who drive like this often commit other offences - driving dangerously, so cops just need to keep an eye on them and catch them at it, this is when driving when disqualified will count against them.

[BoredBloke]

The highway code suggests that driving while disqualified can lead to a maximum imprisonment of 6 months (12 in Scotland), up to 5k fine and at least 6 more points.


And if he pleads guilty this is automatically cut in half and then gets early release.

[AtW]

The highway code suggests that driving while disqualified can lead to a maximum imprisonment of 6 months (12 in Scotland), up to 5k fine and at least 6 more points.

Now courts won't immediately improson them (unless serious case like someone was killed) because there are simply not that many places in prisons. Also if the guy insists on breaking the law then its good to see if he does it all the time - after few bans/points he will max it out for the rest of his life and noone will ever insure him. Of course he will most likely continue driving anyway, and at THAT point prison should really be the only option.

Sadly there are not enough prisons, perhaps UK should take GULAG in long term lease - I hear its cheap when you lease it for 100+ years.

[BoredBloke]

I know what should happen. In our local paper there is a section detailing cases in the local court. Most are traffic related. Most are driving without insurance/Mot/disqualified and ALL get a fine along with a ban. Very very rarely the scrote ends up in nick.

[expat]

"Breaking driving ban is a serious offence that will lead to prison sentense."

Replace 'will' with 'should but doesn't'

Yes, but AtW is quite correct, that is what the point is of giving the ban. Driving whaile already banned is more serious than driving while not really authorised.