Reply to: Iraq is back

[SpontaneousOrder]

The thing that really gets me is this; 11 years ago, everyone I know, all my family, people at work, people in the pub - all of them to a man could see that our involvement in Iraq was stirring up one big hornet's nest. And I can say exactly the same thing about our misguided efforts in Libya and Syria in the ensuing years.

And that is exactly what has happened - look at it; it beggars belief, you just couldn't make it up. And the cruelest irony of all - it's all happening on the watch of Middle East Peace Envoy Tony Blair. Great job you're doing there Tone.

Now, I know politicians are out of touch but I can't really believe they buy that "hands across the ocean" tripe of how these totalitarian regimes, after our intervention, are going to blossom into western style democracies and become part of some global rainbow league of nations, or whatever it was Blair had in his mind. I really can't.

So, what exactly is the plan? What do they want to get from all this chaos that has resulted from their policies?

Blair now earns many millions a year. That's what they get out of it.

[Gittins Gal]

The thing that really gets me is this; 11 years ago, everyone I know, all my family, people at work, people in the pub - all of them to a man could see that our involvement in Iraq was stirring up one big hornet's nest. And I can say exactly the same thing about our misguided efforts in Libya and Syria in the ensuing years.

And that is exactly what has happened - look at it; it beggars belief, you just couldn't make it up. And the cruelest irony of all - it's all happening on the watch of Middle East Peace Envoy Tony Blair. Great job you're doing there Tone.

Now, I know politicians are out of touch but I can't really believe they buy that "hands across the ocean" tripe of how these totalitarian regimes, after our intervention, are going to blossom into western style democracies and become part of some global rainbow league of nations, or whatever it was Blair had in his mind. I really can't.

So, what exactly is the plan? What do they want to get from all this chaos that has resulted from their policies?

[SpontaneousOrder]

It is interesting that - because if you ractchet it down a notch and then look at some companies whose exec have simply no interest in the human beings that work for the company other than what they can do to earn the execs more money.

Sometimes at least these dictators were honest in their view of human life - unlike many of today's 'ethical business leaders'

Think I am spounting tulip?

Try this Link

Hmm... except that when you were being murdered by Mao & the gang, it wasn't a voluntary association. Complaining about how your boss treats you is something done by bet-wetters who want something for nothing.

[SpontaneousOrder]

You cannot compare the total bodycount of 30 years of Saddam with one week of these insurgents.

What this 'invasion' threatens is turning Iraq into a militant islamic state, far more dangerous to world than Saddam, which is something Saddam had prevented during his reign.

The area is uncontrollable by us, so it was best left to its own devices with strong men like Saddam, unpleasant as they are, keeping a tin lid on people much worse than he was.

Sadman Insane killed a million people over 20 or thirty years.
It's widely believed (eg MITs study, etc) that over a million people have died as a result of the invasion ten years ago.

That's in a country of 25 million-ish in 2000.

I think one would have to be some kind of psycho to suggest that 'we' did them a favour.

[MicrosoftBob]

<Braveheart Mode>

You can take our lives but you can't take our deep fried mars bars

</Braveheart Mode>

FTFY

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

You cannot compare the total bodycount of 30 years of Saddam with one week of these insurgents.

What this 'invasion' threatens is turning Iraq into a militant islamic state, far more dangerous to world than Saddam, which is something Saddam had prevented during his reign.

The area is uncontrollable by us, so it was best left to its own devices with strong men like Saddam, unpleasant as they are, keeping a tin lid on people much worse than he was.

Saddam killed millions over 30 years by being a brutal dictator and oppressing people to the max. If you ask me I'd rather be killed with freedom than live under constant oppression and tyranny.

<Braveheart Mode>

You can take our lives but you can't take our FREEEEEEEEEDOOOOOOM

</Braveheart Mode>

Anybody who thinks life under Saddam is better than it is now has no idea what it is to live without any human rights or dignity.

[BrilloPad]

You cannot compare the total bodycount of 30 years of Saddam with one week of these insurgents.

What this 'invasion' threatens is turning Iraq into a militant islamic state, far more dangerous to world than Saddam, which is something Saddam had prevented during his reign.

The area is uncontrollable by us, so it was best left to its own devices with strong men like Saddam, unpleasant as they are, keeping a tin lid on people much worse than he was.

+1000 DS for PM.

[Doggy Styles]

Saddam?

He murdered 100s of 1000s not 10s. What has happened in Iraq is actually just a fraction of what Saddam used to do.

You cannot compare the total bodycount of 30 years of Saddam with one week of these insurgents.

What this 'invasion' threatens is turning Iraq into a militant islamic state, far more dangerous to world than Saddam, which is something Saddam had prevented during his reign.

The area is uncontrollable by us, so it was best left to its own devices with strong men like Saddam, unpleasant as they are, keeping a tin lid on people much worse than he was.

[OwlHoot]

Lets hope that Britain can do what Japan and Germany did after WW2 and thrieve

Is that a combination of thrive and thieve? I guess sometimes crime does pay.

[original PM]

I didn't say it was funny, but it summed up his attitude & that of scumbags like Hitler & Mao to a tee.

It is interesting that - because if you ractchet it down a notch and then look at some companies whose exec have simply no interest in the human beings that work for the company other than what they can do to earn the execs more money.

Sometimes at least these dictators were honest in their view of human life - unlike many of today's 'ethical business leaders'

Think I am spounting tulip?

Try this Link

[BrilloPad]

Luton could use a clear out IMHO. Then on to Wales! (with a pit stop in NI).

no way! Suity lives in Luton!

Actually, point taken....

[lilelvis2000]

Next stop Luton presumably

Luton could use a clear out IMHO. Then on to Wales! (with a pit stop in NI).

[SpontaneousOrder]

Hmmm...interesting.

I'm surprised the Telegraph is bigging it up so much.

I thought this is the kind of thing the establisment media drones like to brush under the carpet because it shows what an awful mess we've made from getting involved. Libya falls into this bracket too.

Draws attention away from Ukraine.

[MicrosoftBob]

Another city has fallen to ISIS - Tikrit.

They are small in number but seemed to have adapted after getting their asses whooped in Syria.

Next stop Luton presumably

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Another city has fallen to ISIS - Tikrit.

They are small in number but seemed to have adapted after getting their asses whooped in Syria.