Reply to: BBC and MSM Double Standards

[Gittins Gal]

Dr. Ron Paul's Freedom Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, the Ron Paul Investment Letter, and the Ron Paul Political Report, produced while he wasn't in Congress:

Angry White Man | New Republic

TNR Exclusive: More Selections From Ron Paul

Ron Paul and the racist newsletters (Fact Checker biography) - The Washington Post

Old issue causing new problem for Ron Paul - Rick Perry 2012 Campaign for President

CNN.com - Transcripts

And the Tea Party aren't right wing? Mind you they're a bit like Ukip in one way:

I'd give about as much credence to anything I read in the source of your first 2 links as I would anything from David Icke, Alex Jones etc...

Moving on to the first indictment in the Washington Post:

Many of the derogatory comments came from a 1992 commentary in the Political Report titled “A Special Issue on Racial Terrorism.” The article blames African American men for the L.A. riots, saying, “The criminals who terrorized our cities — in riots and on every non-riot day — are not exclusively young black males, but they largely are.”

Well, that's largely true isn't it? Except that you're not allowed to say it of course. Remember David Starkey after the London riots and the opprobrium he attracted?

The article then moves on to detail a few excerpts from a newsletter that carried his name but the articles therein "contain no bylines and no signatures" and he later told CNN in 2008 that “I honestly do not know who wrote those things”.

A couple more things - MLK -“world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours.” - I thought that was common knowledge? Even Frank Zappa acknowledges this in his autobiography, well the philandering bit anyway.

..and further down re voting against giving Rosa Parks the Congressional Medal:

To be fair, he opposed giving the medal to Mother Teresa and Pope John Paul II as well, so it doesn’t appear race had anything to do with his stance.

Sorry, he just doesn't sound like an "extremely right wing person" to me. If you'd have just said right wing, I probably wouldn't have bothered but "extremely right wing" is insinuating that he's in the same league as John Tyndall, Nick Griffin, David Duke et al and that's clearly not the case.

[darmstadt]

Are you for real? Ron Paul extremely right wing??

Take a look at this:

Frank Zappa and Ron Paul on the dangers of American Fascism

Sounds like the voice of reason to me & he's merely reiterating what FZ said 20 years earlier.

Edit: and as for the quotes, were they directly attributable to him? You quote no source or provide any reference.

Dr. Ron Paul's Freedom Report, The Ron Paul Survival Report, the Ron Paul Investment Letter, and the Ron Paul Political Report, produced while he wasn't in Congress:

Angry White Man | New Republic

TNR Exclusive: More Selections From Ron Paul

Ron Paul and the racist newsletters (Fact Checker biography) - The Washington Post

Old issue causing new problem for Ron Paul - Rick Perry 2012 Campaign for President

CNN.com - Transcripts

And the Tea Party aren't right wing? Mind you they're a bit like Ukip in one way:

The Tea Party does not have a single uniform agenda.

[Gittins Gal]

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- we have Ron Paul, otherwise known as the 'Godfather of the Tea Party', an extremely right wing person.

Are you for real? Ron Paul extremely right wing??

Take a look at this:

Frank Zappa and Ron Paul on the dangers of American Fascism

Sounds like the voice of reason to me & he's merely reiterating what FZ said 20 years earlier.

Edit: and as for the quotes, were they directly attributable to him? You quote no source or provide any reference.

[darmstadt]

Fortunately Nige has never denied the Holocaust or rubbed shoulders with Dave Duke so I think he's fairly safe from something on that scale.

Nope, but he has met, and is cahoots with some deeply unpleasant people. Although the following picture shows some people who are rather unlikeable (not unlike some of his bedfellows in other European parties), they are not exactly bed fellows of the common man nor the UK:

- we have Ron Paul, otherwise known as the 'Godfather of the Tea Party', an extremely right wing person. For example he used to produce a newsletter with such statements as :

"...I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in [Washington, DC] are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

"Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a congressman. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day!"

“I miss the closet. Homosexuals, not to speak of the rest of society, were far better off when social pressure forced them to hide their activities. They could also not be as promiscuous. Is it any coincidence that the AIDS epidemic developed after they came 'out of the closet,' and started hyper-promiscuous sodomy? I don't believe so, medically or morally.”

- then we have Jim Rogers, co-founder with George Soros of the Quantum Fund. This is the fund that, supposedly, “breaking” the Bank of England and Rogers and Soros reportedly made billions by betting against Sterling, eventually forcing the devaluation of the pound. He tried it again in '92 by calling the pound a 'basket case' of currencies amongst all other currencies trying to cause a run on it in order to make a few million, didn't work that time. Not really someone that a UK loving politician should be cosying up to

[Gittins Gal]

OK I stand corrected. And he was, as you say, on Question Time a year or so ago.

He's definitely a racist.

He got a right royal rogering on QT too. You can argue the rights and wrongs about the stitch up that he was subjected to but he is an extremely unpleasant individual as are the rest of his henchmen and I'm glad that the hatchet job that was Nick Griffin's QT appearance turned out to be the undoing of the BNP.

That said, I'm uneasy about the undemocratic bullying manner in which it was done and I'm sure that that the same people would have no qualms over pulling the same stunt on Nigel Farage should they have sufficient ammo.

Fortunately Nige has never denied the Holocaust or rubbed shoulders with Dave Duke so I think he's fairly safe from something on that scale.

[KentPhilip]

Nick Griffin:

OK I stand corrected. And he was, as you say, on Question Time a year or so ago.

[darmstadt]

Well UKIP are not a racist party, so are not a good example.
The point is, has there ever been anyone on QT who HAS been convicted of an offence involving racism? I don't think so.

Nick Griffin:

In 1998, Griffin was convicted of distributing material likely to incite racial hatred, for which he received a suspended prison sentence.

[vetran]

Nope, just pointing out the 'left wing' agenda of the BCC is not all what it seems: BBC receives almost 1,200 complaints over Ukip election coverage | Media | theguardian.com

I wonder how many of those were fabricated by Labour or Tory HQ?

[KentPhilip]

Eh? How many times has Nigel Farage and member of the Thatcher on Steroids Ukip been on QT yet how many times has a member of the Green Party been on it and they actually have a real MP?

Well UKIP are not a racist party, so are not a good example.
The point is, has there ever been anyone on QT who HAS been convicted of an offence involving racism? I don't think so.

[darmstadt]

I've seen Caroline Lucas on QT a number of timers as it happens.

But you're missing the point - this goes way beyond QT and the way that the MSM will indulge people like Barton who are criminals yet consign anyone who says something un-pc to a trial by media which invariably ends up with the perpetrator's career on the scrapheap.

Though, I see now that poor old Joey is finding out that being in the media spotlight is somewhat of a double edge sword after last night's appearance as he seems to be getting a right royal rodgering from some quarters regarding his 4 ugly girls comment.

Nope, just pointing out the 'left wing' agenda of the BCC is not all what it seems: BBC receives almost 1,200 complaints over Ukip election coverage | Media | theguardian.com

[Doggy Styles]

Anyone who has to go to bed hungry because they had no food and were not willing to break the law to steal it

Anyone who does not go on holiday because they have no money and are not willing to break the law to steal it

Anyone who has been able to attend an event because they could not afford a dinner jacket and were not willing.... etc

But you get the point.

Anytime anyone does not do something because they cannot afford it has been snubbed by this.

Probably

No, not really. Do you mean that QT should invite somebody with that background onto the show rather than anyone who has been convicted of a crime?

[Gittins Gal]

Eh? How many times has Nigel Farage and member of the Thatcher on Steroids Ukip been on QT yet how many times has a member of the Green Party been on it and they actually have a real MP?

I've seen Caroline Lucas on QT a number of timers as it happens.

But you're missing the point - this goes way beyond QT and the way that the MSM will indulge people like Barton who are criminals yet consign anyone who says something un-pc to a trial by media which invariably ends up with the perpetrator's career on the scrapheap.

Though, I see now that poor old Joey is finding out that being in the media spotlight is somewhat of a double edge sword after last night's appearance as he seems to be getting a right royal rodgering from some quarters regarding his 4 ugly girls comment.

[MicrosoftBob]

'Cos Greens don't make viewing figures. Capisce?

Plus theyonly have UKIP on when they want a jeremy kyle style abuse the guests question time

[hyperD]

Eh? How many times has Nigel Farage and member of the Thatcher on Steroids Ukip been on QT yet how many times has a member of the Green Party been on it and they actually have a real MP?

'Cos Greens don't make viewing figures. Capisce?

[darmstadt]

I couldn't agree more.
So you are basically saying that BBC Question time are happy to have on their programme someone who has done 6 months for a violent assault, but not someone who has said "racist" things.
Yes I am afraid it is part of the BBC's leftist agenda which is ultimately about jealous destruction.

Eh? How many times has Nigel Farage and member of the Thatcher on Steroids Ukip been on QT yet how many times has a member of the Green Party been on it and they actually have a real MP?