Reply to: UKIP Interview

[DodgyAgent]

remove the availability of cheap labour from abroad

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1939488

Actually, the 'cheap labour' shoud surely be working according to the same rules as British labour?

fair enough

[Mich the Tester]

I do not understand why there should not be competition for workers

remove the availability of cheap labour from abroad

http://forums.contractoruk.com/gener...ml#post1939488

Actually, the 'cheap labour' shoud surely be working according to the same rules as British labour?

[DodgyAgent]

Why would competition throughout Europe be a good thing for business and not for workers?

I do not understand why there should not be competition for workers

[Mich the Tester]

FTFY

Why would competition throughout Europe be a good thing for business and not for workers?

[vetran]

Keeping business free to move jobs around while removing the freedom of premium workers to move around and follow the jobs? However lower paid workers in the country get shafted.

Creating more competition in business but less competition among workers?

FTFY

[DodgyAgent]

Reducing taxes on the low paid does more than reducing benefits alone to provide an incentive to work and will do more to stimulate small scale entrepreneurship. To that end the liberal policy of increasing the tax free allowance has been one of the few sensible policies we've had for years and I'd take it further. I would introduce a single flat rate of tax above a much higher tax free threshold (I'd base it on a nominal "cost of living" although that's a bit of a vague concept to tie down) and abolish NI altogether. That would stimulate employment as well, as not everyone who wants to work wants to work for themselves and entrepreneurs need help.

I agree about the need for better education, to that end I think tuition fees are a mistake and I would do my best to reverse that for British citizens and pump up the cost for foreigners. I don't know that more competition in education is necessary, it's driven people to cut corners and respond to the demand for degrees in stupid subjects like knitting. What we need is a serious increase in people studying STEM subjects to a reasonable level to provide the talent for innovation to flourish. That would also reduce our reliance on immigration for those sort of skills.

Regulation is a mixed bag. While there is some that is obstructive quite a lot is very necessary. So unless you can give specific examples that would need to be subject to review on a case by case basis.

We now have policy

Vote CUK

[doodab]

I will give it a go :creating more competition in business, removing regulation and reducing taxes to stimulate entreprenurial activity, create competition in education to equip people for the battle ahead, reduce benefits remove the availability of cheap labour from abroad.

Reducing taxes on the low paid does more than reducing benefits alone to provide an incentive to work and will do more to stimulate small scale entrepreneurship. To that end the liberal policy of increasing the tax free allowance has been one of the few sensible policies we've had for years and I'd take it further. I would introduce a single flat rate of tax above a much higher tax free threshold (I'd base it on a nominal "cost of living" although that's a bit of a vague concept to tie down) and abolish NI altogether. That would stimulate employment as well, as not everyone who wants to work wants to work for themselves and entrepreneurs need help.

I agree about the need for better education, to that end I think tuition fees are a mistake and I would do my best to reverse that for British citizens and pump up the cost for foreigners. I don't know that more competition in education is necessary, it's driven people to cut corners and respond to the demand for degrees in stupid subjects like knitting. What we need is a serious increase in people studying STEM subjects to a reasonable level to provide the talent for innovation to flourish. That would also reduce our reliance on immigration for those sort of skills.

Regulation is a mixed bag. While there is some that is obstructive quite a lot is very necessary. So unless you can give specific examples that would need to be subject to review on a case by case basis.

[Mich the Tester]

Like what?

I will give it a go :creating more competition in business, removing regulation and reducing taxes to stimulate entreprenurial activity, create competition in education to equip people for the battle ahead, reduce benefits remove the availability of cheap labour from abroad.

In other words

VOTE UKIP

Keeping business free to move jobs around while removing the freedom of workers to move around and follow thejobs?

Creating more competition in business but less competition among workers?

[DodgyAgent]

So parties likely to be elected have to be more careful about specifics that they can later be shown to have failed to achieve.

So what?

[DodgyAgent]

Would that be the economics & history where hugely unequal economies based on slavery and feudalism have eventually collapsed time and again over the entirety of human history?

I'd also point out that by far the biggest rises in standard of living have occurred during the agricultural revolution and the industrial revolution. In the later case the distribution of the spoils of growth, while certainly not equal, was considerably more equal than what went before. It created the middle class from those who they had access to the new sources of wealth creation.

The point here is that it's by no means a given that economic growth has to result in an increase in inequality, and by being innovative we can do something about it that both creates a more equal society and increases overall wealth considerably.

Like what?

I will give it a go :creating more competition in business, removing regulation and reducing taxes to stimulate entreprenurial activity, create competition in education to equip people for the battle ahead, reduce benefits remove the availability of cheap labour from abroad.

In other words

VOTE UKIP

[d000hg]

It most certainly is ... so what?

So parties likely to be elected have to be more careful about specifics that they can later be shown to have failed to achieve.

[doodab]

If they were they would disappear or do you not study economics or history?

Would that be the economics & history where hugely unequal economies based on slavery and feudalism have eventually collapsed time and again over the entirety of human history?

By far the biggest rises in standard of living have occurred during the agricultural revolution and the industrial revolution. In the later case the distribution of the spoils of growth, while certainly not equal, was considerably more equal than what went before. It created the middle class from those who they had access to the new sources of wealth creation.

The point here is that it's by no means a given that economic growth has to result in an increase in inequality, and by being innovative we can do something that both creates a more equal society and increases overall wealth considerably.

[DodgyAgent]

It's much easier to present very detailed policies when there is absolutely no risk you'll be asked to implement them.

It most certainly is ... so what?

[d000hg]

At least Farage and UKIP are talking about policies instead of stage managing their presentation

It's much easier to present very detailed policies when there is absolutely no risk you'll be asked to implement them.

[DodgyAgent]

Indeed. That doesn't mean they shouldn't be distributed equally though.

If they were "they" would disappear or do you not study economics or history?

The harsh realities of human nature are that in order to stimulate wealth creation you must first give people the opportunity to earn enormous riches, the next thing you do is to encourage them to make even more and then keep it in your country

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I am sure you would be morally driven to work overtime hours knowing that the money you earned would go towards creating an equal society