Reply to: Test Lead's question

[Barley]

[suityou01]

No code would ever get written as the requirements would never get defined as the stakeholders would never attend workshops.

So there would be nothing to test, ergo, bug free.

[Mich the Tester]

No code would ever get written as the requirements would never get defined as the stakeholders would never attend workshops.

So there would be nothing to test, ergo, bug free.

Lots of code would still get written because coders need something to do instead of having sexual relations with another person.

[Mich the Tester]

...needs a Poll

Done

[mudskipper]

No code would ever get written as the requirements would never get defined as the stakeholders would never attend workshops.

So there would be nothing to test, ergo, bug free.

[suityou01]

No, I don't think any of us believe that.

Chaps and Chappesses! Does anybody believe that?

The opinion of the heretics is irrelevant.

[Troll]

No, I don't think any of us believe that.

Chaps and Chappesses! Does anybody believe that?

...needs a Poll

[eek]

but if i pass on my delusional-ness, that would be the end of bugs and the role of tester would cease to exist.

ftfy hth bikiw

[Mich the Tester]

But if I pass on my awesomeness, that would be the end of bugs and the role of tester would cease to exist.

No, I don't think any of us believe that.

Chaps and Chappesses! Does anybody believe that?

[suityou01]

More Suity programmers please!

Suity, why don't you start up a school of Suitydom to teach programming and project management? Lots of testers might be persuaded to invest in it!

But if I pass on my awesomeness, that would be the end of bugs and the role of tester would cease to exist.

[Mich the Tester]

potentially but in my agile world a test team consists of testers and developers - so you test and remove bugs on the fly

I watched 3 weeks worth of testing get wasted because the teams involved insisted on strict waterfall but they found a bug early on which stopped much of the testing

however because testing was not complete they could not move into re-work

crazy!

But billable.

[original PM]

I dont agree, its not the test teams responsibilty to ensure the product is bug free. It is their responsibility to show the presence of defects (bugs) against test criteria and coverage. Even then is almost impossible to ensure the product is bug free.

Its not the test teams job to make a product work nor ensure that defects are resolved. Test teams test against criteria and report the results and provide further guidance, impact and risk assessment. Its the project teams responsibility to make decisions based on this, e.g. go, no-go, fix in next phase / implement live workaround etc

potentially but in my agile world a test team consists of testers and developers - so you test and remove bugs on the fly

I watched 3 weeks worth of testing get wasted because the teams involved insisted on strict waterfall but they found a bug early on which stopped much of the testing

however because testing was not complete they could not move into re-work

crazy!

[Barley]

Sorry yes I do not expect all bugs to be found what I expect is that all various user stories, business processess etc etc etc have been tested and found to work.

if bugs exist elsewhere then yes they will not be found.

however for me it is still down to the test phase to ensure the product is bug free based on the agreed test criteria

I dont agree, its not the test teams responsibilty to ensure the product is bug free. It is their responsibility to show the presence of defects (bugs) against test criteria and coverage. Even then is almost impossible to ensure the product is bug free.

Its not the test teams job to make a product work nor ensure that defects are resolved. Test teams test against criteria and report the results and provide further guidance, impact and risk assessment. Its the project teams responsibility to make decisions based on this, e.g. go, no-go, fix in next phase / implement live workaround etc

[Mich the Tester]

Well you keep people in work so I suppose to them you are.....

More Suity programmers please!

Suity, why don't you start up a school of Suitydom to teach programming and project management? Lots of testers might be persuaded to invest in it!

[eek]

I'm indispensable, me.

Well you keep people in work so I suppose to them you are.....