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Originally posted by suityou01 View PostI'm indispensable, me.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by eek View PostWell you keep people in work so I suppose to them you are.....
Suity, why don't you start up a school of Suitydom to teach programming and project management? Lots of testers might be persuaded to invest in it!And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by original PM View PostSorry yes I do not expect all bugs to be found what I expect is that all various user stories, business processess etc etc etc have been tested and found to work.
if bugs exist elsewhere then yes they will not be found.
however for me it is still down to the test phase to ensure the product is bug free based on the agreed test criteria
I dont agree, its not the test teams responsibilty to ensure the product is bug free. It is their responsibility to show the presence of defects (bugs) against test criteria and coverage. Even then is almost impossible to ensure the product is bug free.
Its not the test teams job to make a product work nor ensure that defects are resolved. Test teams test against criteria and report the results and provide further guidance, impact and risk assessment. Its the project teams responsibility to make decisions based on this, e.g. go, no-go, fix in next phase / implement live workaround etcComment
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Originally posted by Barley View PostI dont agree, its not the test teams responsibilty to ensure the product is bug free. It is their responsibility to show the presence of defects (bugs) against test criteria and coverage. Even then is almost impossible to ensure the product is bug free.
Its not the test teams job to make a product work nor ensure that defects are resolved. Test teams test against criteria and report the results and provide further guidance, impact and risk assessment. Its the project teams responsibility to make decisions based on this, e.g. go, no-go, fix in next phase / implement live workaround etc
I watched 3 weeks worth of testing get wasted because the teams involved insisted on strict waterfall but they found a bug early on which stopped much of the testing
however because testing was not complete they could not move into re-work
crazy!Comment
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Originally posted by original PM View Postpotentially but in my agile world a test team consists of testers and developers - so you test and remove bugs on the fly
I watched 3 weeks worth of testing get wasted because the teams involved insisted on strict waterfall but they found a bug early on which stopped much of the testing
however because testing was not complete they could not move into re-work
crazy!And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostMore Suity programmers please!
Suity, why don't you start up a school of Suitydom to teach programming and project management? Lots of testers might be persuaded to invest in it!Knock first as I might be balancing my chakras.Comment
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Originally posted by suityou01 View PostBut if I pass on my awesomeness, that would be the end of bugs and the role of tester would cease to exist.
Chaps and Chappesses! Does anybody believe that?And what exactly is wrong with an "ad hominem" argument? Dodgy Agent, 16-5-2014Comment
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Originally posted by suityou01 View Postbut if i pass on my delusional-ness, that would be the end of bugs and the role of tester would cease to exist.merely at clientco for the entertainmentComment
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View PostNo, I don't think any of us believe that.
Chaps and Chappesses! Does anybody believe that?How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't thinkComment
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