Reply to: No tulip, Sherlock

[Flashman]

You should expect a hefty increase in council tax because Govt cuts amount of money given to councils.

Revealed: The one in nine schools where English is not first language - Telegraph

Who so you think is paying for all the extra classroom assistants and translators? I'll give you a clue it isn't the EU. It us bloody mugs.

[The Spartan]

Properly obtained statistics are not the same thing as sweeping generalisations.

Does it not occur to you that, as professional persons, our experience is highly selective? We work in offices, stay at reasonable hotels etc and, unsurprisingly, largely see decent working migrants.

So how much time do we spend in run down areas, rough sleeping areas, doss houses, illegal squats etc to see the other side of it? In some part of the UK, 50%+ of people who present at homeless charities are foreign.

Its 80% in Boston
BBC News - Boston has thousands of unrecorded migrants, council claims

I think there may be crossed wires here but none of the articles you linked mention it's related to immigrants having little or no grasp of English

[vetran]

Shame there's no opt out, I'd happily take my own rubbish to the tip

I think there is a balance but I suspect the reality is that many who get subsidies don't need them or shouldn't get them. The sight of all the council houses on the street having new BMWs outside them was a common one a few years ago. Now the council houses have been sold off its normally a battered mondeo out front or a company car.

We need to make those on benefits worse off than those working, then we have money we can spend on those that need it.

[xoggoth]

Properly obtained statistics are not the same thing as sweeping generalisations.

Does it not occur to you that, as professional persons, our experience is highly selective? We work in offices, stay at reasonable hotels etc and, unsurprisingly, largely see decent working migrants.

So how much time do we spend in run down areas, rough sleeping areas, doss houses, illegal squats etc to see the other side of it? In some part of the UK, 50%+ of people who present at homeless charities are foreign.

Its 80% in Boston
BBC News - Boston has thousands of unrecorded migrants, council claims

[The Spartan]

No reason to doubt it but facts and statistics, not anecdotes and citing of individual cases, are the only sound basis for law.

Fair enough, I just don't like sweeping generalisations

[xoggoth]

I have encounter migrant workers here who have a poor grasp of English but who are working so it doesn't always ring true I'm afraid. A few of the cleaning staff here infact speak little or next to no English yet they're fantastic at what they do

No reason to doubt it but facts and statistics, not anecdotes and citing of individual cases, are the only sound basis for law.

[The Spartan]

now yes, because the government has removed the central grant.

if you look at a lot of these areas they have rubbish council tax collection rates.

Shame there's no opt out, I'd happily take my own rubbish to the tip

[The Spartan]

Does that include contractors whose ltd is domiciled in the colonies?

Sorry buddy I guess I'm missing the point on this one

[vetran]

My guess is you're subsidising those who don't pay.

now yes, because the government has removed the central grant.

if you look at a lot of these areas they have rubbish council tax collection rates.

[petergriffin]

those who don't pay.

Does that include contractors whose ltd is domiciled in the colonies?

[The Spartan]

I pay over £2k a year in council tax and honestly the service aint that great.

My guess is you're subsidising those who don't pay.

[vetran]

Councils should raise most of their own money directly from people in the borough. they would then be held responsible by the local electorate.

I pay over £2k a year in council tax and honestly the service aint that great.

[DodgyAgent]

You should expect a hefty increase in council tax because Govt cuts amount of money given to councils.

Councils should raise most of their own money directly from people in the borough. they would then be held responsible by the local electorate.

[Ticktock]

Ask all the wealthy expats in Eindhoven if they speak any Dutch. (Probably their English is poor, too)

Apply the same terms of comparison to the UK.

Think. (Not applicable to UKIP fans)

So what you're saying is that you should take like for like:
Wealthy people living in a country where their own tongue is extremely widely understood and used by the native population and does not impact on their ability to work, and
Mixed income people (although this report actually focuses on those of very low wealth) living in a country where their own tongue is not understood or used by any more than a tiny proportion of the native population and means that a large proportion are economically inactive.

Well done.

[petergriffin]

Ask all the wealthy expats in Eindhoven if they speak any Dutch. (Probably their English is poor, too)

Apply the same terms of comparison to the UK.

Think. (Not applicable to UKIP fans)