Reply to: SCRUM

[TestMangler]

Totally agree! The stand ups should not last longer than 15mins unless necessary!

That was a thread resurrection of epic proportions...........in more ways than one.

[leovzla]

Oh dear. The whole point of a stand up is that the meeting doesn't take long because people don't want to stand for very long. Some clientcos really are run by cretins.

Totally agree! The stand ups should not last longer than 15mins unless necessary!

[doodab]

I'm loving the tag there

[craig1]

A client of mine a few years ago was into all of this stuff. Programme and project managers were "encouraged" to have morning hour long stand-up sessions even if they had nothing new to talk about, the sessions always lasted the whole hour because people used them as whining sessions. The management staff who attended played an ego game of seeing who could be the latest to attend then disrupt the meeting with pointless socialisation or other disruption to show their status.

It took two weeks for my rebellion to start paying off, I'd book a half-hour morning slot for my programme team. It was a sit down meeting, started 9:30 sharp, no socialising, no politics, just a round-table update with a 5 minute Q&A bit at the end. If you were late then tough, we weren't going back for you. I always had a 10am meeting in my calendar, even if it were just "go make yourself tea" so that the meeting could never extend longer. I had one manager complain to the CIO that he didn't know what was going on because I refused to wait for him in meetings when he was late, he really didn't think that one through before complaining! The trick payed off and the requirement to have the stand-ups went away, one other contractor took it a bit further and locked the meeting room door at 9:30 stopping late managers from coming in entirely, that really didn't go down well!

I had an interview yesterday where the IT director asked me to explain how I worked "agilely". I asked him to be more specific about which part of "agile" he'd like me to cover, he went a bit cross-eyed at that point and blustered incoherently for a minute or so with the COO looking at him as if he were a cretin. Somehow I don't think I'm getting that bit of work...

[CheeseSlice]

It's money for old rope really. It's taking development back to how we all learned it.. Trial and error.

WALS

And someone somewhere is getting very wealthy from it.

[minestrone]

It makes me cringe when agents start asking "can you do agile" "tell me about your agile experience"

It is soul destroying that this is now seen as a skill and further to that a skill that is highly sought after and one that is more valuable that skills that are necessary to actually do the job.

[tomtomagain]

I wonder what methodology Elon Musk uses in his companies?

Do you think he's an agile or waterfall type of guy?

[BlasterBates]

Which is the point... with scrum you can implement a few little features.

But if you want to put a man on the moon you can't.

[doodab]

So did the Russians but they were using SCRUM.

Which gave them an early lead and technology they still use today. The Americans use it too if they want to visit the ISS.

[BlasterBates]

They also had a budget of $25 billion.

So did the Russians but they were using SCRUM.

[doodab]

NASA put a man on the moon using "antiquated" project management techniques on time and on budget.

Today using Agile that would be impossible,

They also had a budget of $25 billion.

[SueEllen]

As a Londoner, I have become impervious to intimidation. You can shout and swear at me and I won't even blink.

Ahhh now you tell me where I've been going wrong for years - I'm suppose to be intimidated.

Being brought up in London if someone gives me tulip I ignore them until I'm p*ssed off, and being pissed off may not have anything to do with the idiot p*ssing me off.

[aussielong]

A distortion of reality? The team isn't employing each other.

I attended an interview last week to join an agile team, and the scrum master kept doing this routine where he would raise his voice, furrow his eyebrows and try to intimidate me.

As a Londoner, I have become impervious to intimidation. You can shout and swear at me and I won't even blink.

Clearly this scrum master was just looking for people he could intimidate, and that was reflected by the other developers I met there who were all these meek little mice.

Don't get me wrong, I actually quite like some of the logistical improvements that come with Agile, like clearly defined tasks and more emphasis on testing.

But the culture of Agile has become pretty ugly, like some weird mini-dictatorship

It's money for old rope really. It's taking development back to how we all learned it.. Trial and error.

[Supply and Command]

What people forget about standups is that you are not reporting to anyone - you are making a commitment to the rest of the team .

A distortion of reality? The team isn't employing each other.

I attended an interview last week to join an agile team, and the scrum master kept doing this routine where he would raise his voice, furrow his eyebrows and try to intimidate me.

As a Londoner, I have become impervious to intimidation. You can shout and swear at me and I won't even blink.

Clearly this scrum master was just looking for people he could intimidate, and that was reflected by the other developers I met there who were all these meek little mice.

Don't get me wrong, I actually quite like some of the logistical improvements that come with Agile, like clearly defined tasks and more emphasis on testing.

But the culture of Agile has become pretty ugly, like some weird mini-dictatorship

[eek]

Documentation is always out of date including the nice diagrams people draw.

It's better than here is what we think is the live code, good luck. Which is what the poor sod who replaces me will get.