Reply to: Fatness drive 2013 - update

[SueEllen]

There were some very nice lycra clad thighs on the train last weekend. The rest of the body wasn't bad either. And he had a very nice bike

You bothered to look at the bike?

[northernladuk]

There were some very nice lycra clad thighs on the train last weekend. The rest of the body wasn't bad either. And he had a very nice bike

I hope you didn't say that to her!!!!

[mudskipper]

I've got nice thighs though. Hi ladies.

There were some very nice lycra clad thighs on the train last weekend. The rest of the body wasn't bad either. And he had a very nice bike

[Old Hack]

My lungs have always been of a good capacity, although after a brutal ride across Dartmoor I was heaving for a while.

My biggest was 17 stone, working away in the 90's in Germany as it happens. Just ate, drank, worked for 9 months. decided then and there it couldn't continue. I tend not to take a hotel with brekkie anymore, and make my own around 9.30 - 10 and use the hotel facilities in the evening. But I still love sport, especially cycling and canoeing (thinking about Dev-West canoe next year), which means my mass is more, and looks bad on BMI.

Mental really.

[Mich the Tester]

To lose fat you do not need to be doing excessive cardio vascular exercise, if you look at most exercise bikes or running machines they actually have a weight loss program that is less intensive, consisting of intervals to raise and lower your heart rate, when your in the fat burning zone you should still be able to speak as opposed to being completely out of breath.

Yep, but then you need to do A LOT of that sort of low intensity training and most people just don't have enough time to do that. That's why a combination of low intensity and higher intensity work is probably best for them.

And; the fitter you get, the quicker you can burn calories. A fatty with no training might burn 500 calories in an hour of cycling and be so knackered at the end of it he needs a few days rest. A well trained person might burn 1200 calories in the same time and be able to do it all over again the next day.

[Support Monkey]

Of course you can't "sweat off" weight.
I just mean cardio-vascular stuff that makes you sweat, getting your heart pumping, burning calories, intense exercise that should be slightly out of your comfort zone.
At the gym I see some fat people who need to lose weight doing a gentle canter on the treadmill thinking that's helping.
I recall reading that the intensity matters more than the duration (phnah phnah), but can't remember why.

To lose fat you do not need to be doing excessive cardio vascular exercise, if you look at most exercise bikes or running machines they actually have a weight loss program that is less intensive, consisting of intervals to raise and lower your heart rate, when your in the fat burning zone you should still be able to speak as opposed to being completely out of breath.

also as someone else said "muscle turns to fat" this is not the case, muscle is tissue, if you don't exercise then they become smaller or fat can accumulate around it making you appear fat

[Mich the Tester]

How's your drinking? Tested your liver function yet?
Did mine at the start of the year and was surprised to find it was spot on, given the fun I had in my youth.
But the doc told me that increasingly he saw middle class people who were on half a bottle of wine a day who had incipient liver problems. Given that I used to do that, I resolved to not spoil a good thing and lay off the booze.

I typically drink one to two glasses of wine with an evening meal, and although I used to have occasional drinking sessions with the rugby club I never enjoyed excessive drinking and these days hardly ever; last weekend's wedding was an exception, when I discovered I can't actually drink a whole bottle of wine in one go anymore. Now I socialise with the bike racers at weekends and they don't drink much; one or two after a race or a training session and that's about it.

[Mich the Tester]

Oh, I knew that; you being ex rugby and into your bikes I thought you'd be 15 ~abouts. 48 bloody good, some F1 jockeys are higher. Very impressed.

Nor me, only a very bad knee injury stopped the Rugby, and after that, I just used other sports to stay fit. Now, aged perilously close to 50, I exercise a lot with the kids and on my own: cycling, canoeing, walking, swimming and surfing, of sorts. I have a huge kite now, states 80kg min to fly it and it's a bloody handful. An hour flying it and the whole top half and core is on fire. Literally the most fun I have had exercising out of sport.

I was 16 stone when I played rugby; that was too much to carry into middle age and beyond. I think the one advantage I got from all the high intensity interval training for 7s is the very high lactate threshold, which helps with cycling seeing as I don't have unusually big or good lungs; in fact, I've had some minor problems with coughs and slime all my life and often have to cough up some gooey blobs of slime after a really intense training session.

[Old Hack]

How's your drinking? Tested your liver function yet?
Did mine at the start of the year and was surprised to find it was spot on, given the fun I had in my youth.
But the doc told me that increasingly he saw middle class people who were on half a bottle of wine a day who had incipient liver problems. Given that I used to do that, I resolved to not spoil a good thing and lay off the booze.

I had this done as part of my Private Insurance MOT. I found out years ago that I had an hereditary syndrome. It appears having it has no ill effects, but it keeps your liver functioning well, and keeps the cholesterol down too. Wasted on me, normally a light drinker.

[quackhandle]

As I've said in the other thread: a good recipe for a healthy life is moderation in all things: and that includes exercise. There is such a thing as too much.

As much as I like running (as a hobby) and exercising the people that do it day in/out don't look that healthy, their faces look quite gaunt.

qh

[sasguru]

Just kidding; looks more than OK. I'm 6'1" and just under 15 stone now, but with fat at 13%, resting HR 48, lactate threshold HR 171 with max HR 181 and cholesterol and BP about the same as yours. I never stopped with sport though since I was a kid.

How's your drinking? Tested your liver function yet?
Did mine at the start of the year and was surprised to find it was spot on, given the fun I had in my youth.
But the doc told me that increasingly he saw middle class people who were on half a bottle of wine a day who had incipient liver problems. Given that I used to do that, I resolved to not spoil a good thing and lay off the booze.

[Old Hack]

Just kidding; looks more than OK. I'm 6'1" and just under 15 stone now, but with fat at 13%, resting HR 48, lactate threshold HR 171 with max HR 181 and cholesterol and BP about the same as yours. I never stopped with sport though since I was a kid.

Oh, I knew that; you being ex rugby and into your bikes I thought you'd be 15 ~abouts. 48 bloody good, some F1 jockeys are higher. Very impressed.

Nor me, only a very bad knee injury stopped the Rugby, and after that, I just used other sports to stay fit. Now, aged perilously close to 50, I exercise a lot with the kids and on my own: cycling, canoeing, walking, swimming and surfing, of sorts. I have a huge kite now, states 80kg min to fly it and it's a bloody handful. An hour flying it and the whole top half and core is on fire. Literally the most fun I have had exercising out of sport.

[Mich the Tester]

Far from it. 6'1" and probably in the best shape in my life since teenage.

Admittedly, the 15 5 was the weight after our holiday, I'd normally be just under 14 and extremely happy about it.

Just kidding; looks more than OK. I'm 6'1" and just under 15 stone now, but with fat at 13%, resting HR 48, lactate threshold HR 171 with max HR 181 and cholesterol and BP about the same as yours. I never stopped with sport though since I was a kid.

[Old Hack]

Fat bastard!

Far from it. 6'1" and probably in the best shape in my life since teenage.

Admittedly, the 15 5 was the weight after our holiday, I'd normally be just under 15 and extremely happy about it.

[Mich the Tester]

Ostensibly, it's a measure, that can work ok generally. But it doesn't work well for lots of people. I canoe and swim regularly and have a large chest, 48" and a 17" neck. I have, I reckon (I've not been tested for a while), about 17% body fat, which is good, for a man of my age. I'm 15.5 stone. If I lost a stone, I'd look gaunt, but on BMI, I am overweight. I'm not, I am far from overweight; I look good, I am remarkably fit, I have a resting heart rate of 60, Cholesterol of 4.1 and BP 120/80.

There are much better measures out there. But if you were to take someone's height, then their weight, and perform analysis on that, you'd be wrong more than you think. A good friend looks skinny, but is a committed cyclist, and he would appear overweight on the BMI scale, despite being as fit as anyone I know.

Fat bastard!