Reply to: Only non Indian in team

[stek]

I like to judge people as individuals, and given the time and space to do that happy to do so.

As a general rule though the influx of Indian nationals has brought several cultural issues:

1 their culture is racist, both caste on caste and anti white folk, you may not realise this at first but watch over time which bobs get promoted and which dont and compare and contrast to their ability etc.

2 their culture is sexist.

3 their culture doesnt respect norms of health and saftey.

4 their organisations are generally corrupt, indeed Indias own recently retired head of anti corruption described the country as the most corrupt on the planet, hence you cannot trust them. you will learn this through time, they will bill for folk not actually working on the project and so much more.

5 they have a culture of deference, they will never challenge low estimates just nod along and fail to deliver and so on.

6 their education system encorages parrot style learning rather than critical analysis etc

and so much more

Are you Pakistani?

[Old Greg]

online VAT. It just works.

for all of its initial challenges government gateway IDs aren't too bad.

The aqueduct?

[vetran]

Can anyone remember a successful govermint IT project?

online VAT. It just works.

for all of its initial challenges government gateway IDs aren't too bad.

[Old Greg]

Can anyone remember a successful govermint IT project?

TFL Oystercard? Congestion charge?

[vetran]

I like to judge people as individuals, and given the time and space to do that happy to do so.

As a general rule though the influx of Indian nationals has brought several cultural issues:

1 their culture is racist, both caste on caste and anti white folk, you may not realise this at first but watch over time which bobs get promoted and which dont and compare and contrast to their ability etc.

2 their culture is sexist.

3 their culture doesnt respect norms of health and saftey.

4 their organisations are generally corrupt, indeed Indias own recently retired head of anti corruption described the country as the most corrupt on the planet, hence you cannot trust them. you will learn this through time, they will bill for folk not actually working on the project and so much more.

5 they have a culture of deference, they will never challenge low estimates just nod along and fail to deliver and so on.

6 their education system encorages parrot style learning rather than critical analysis etc

and so much more

Agree that its an individual judgement, I work with lots of Nationalities and there are some very good Bobs, Yanks,Russians,Romanians etc many of the UK & Yank experts I would prefer working with the cat it makes better decisions!

4-6 could be any corporate organisation.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

'5 they have a culture of deference, they will never challenge low estimates just nod along and fail to deliver and so on.'

My lot have never said no to anything, and havent actually delivered anything. The application: my mum could do better

Unfortunately this is very true - the answer is always Yes even when the possibility of delivery is zero...

Currently at a major bank in Cheshire (no need to mention who) and they have shifted a load of jobs from India to Easter Europe. The difference is Night and Day. The eastern Europeans I am working with have an excellent work ethic and are hell bent on delivery - I actually have a couple of them ready to do some work for me privately, so if anybody has a project they want to deliver for ultra cheap let me know!

[Dallas]

'5 they have a culture of deference, they will never challenge low estimates just nod along and fail to deliver and so on.'

My lot have never said no to anything, and havent actually delivered anything. The application: my mum could do better

[CoolCat]

I like to judge people as individuals, and given the time and space to do that happy to do so.

As a general rule though the influx of Indian nationals has brought several cultural issues:

1 their culture is racist, both caste on caste and anti white folk, you may not realise this at first but watch over time which bobs get promoted and which dont and compare and contrast to their ability etc.

2 their culture is sexist.

3 their culture doesnt respect norms of health and saftey.

4 their organisations are generally corrupt, indeed Indias own recently retired head of anti corruption described the country as the most corrupt on the planet, hence you cannot trust them. you will learn this through time, they will bill for folk not actually working on the project and so much more.

5 they have a culture of deference, they will never challenge low estimates just nod along and fail to deliver and so on.

6 their education system encorages parrot style learning rather than critical analysis etc

and so much more

[BrilloPad]

Even the incompetent ones are only trying to make a living

Its the companies who employ the incompetent bobs by the boat load in order to reduce costs at the expense of decent, reliable code which I have issues with

I have no issue with the companies who employ the incompetent bobs by the boat load in order to reduce costs at the expense of decent, reliable code. Its market forces. Its the government who let these companies operate like this which I have issue with. They continually underestimate the worth of IT.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Bobs4U ?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to vetran again.

[northernladuk]

There was a team at a previous client made up of 6 or seven Indians and 1 English guy.

The Indians spent the entire time speaking their native language over the English guy, must have been a nightmare.

He left in the end, as they really were being very uncommunicative.

We are massively outnumbered by bobs on our floor and I must admit I have never come across this. I have to try think back to a time I have heard them all speaking in their own language and that was in canteen area. In this respect I have to say they seem very switched on and even speak in English to each other over the desk if there are any English people in earshot.

Bobs can be uncommunicative at times and it is nothing to do with which language they speak lol.

[vetran]

Your not working at a Caudwell site are you?

Bobs4U ?

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Anyone been in this situation?

I know you like going on about Bobs but they seem very nice. Lunchtines are an experience as they all want to share the spicey lunches prepared by their wives that they bring in tiffin tins.

I've had dhosa massala and idly fry this week - neither of which Ive had before. And while I'm scoffing it they all want to know my life story.

Your not working at a Caudwell site are you?

[SueEllen]

Bobs are individuals.

So while some are sexist and are unpleasant to work with others are lovely.

Lovely doesn't equal competent but generally they are less incompetent as they are willing to talk to people to find out things as long as the "boss" isn't around.

Unfortunately the "boss" can be their older cousin who helped them get the job who like their employer is a nasty piece of work.

[Scrag Meister]

There was a team at a previous client made up of 6 or seven Indians and 1 English guy.

The Indians spent the entire time speaking their native language over the English guy, must have been a nightmare.

He left in the end, as they really were being very uncommunicative.