Reply to: Food vouchers for crims - where do you stand?

[vetran]

"Patel / Singh / Wyzernik"

Please edit that before OG sees or he will be crying racism again.

No need to pauper the bankers - just make them work under market forces. And instead of minimum wage its better to create jobs. Stop all imigration until unemployment is below 500k and reduce benefits. Introduce tariffs on imports to give manufacturing a chance to compete.

why Racist? If they are the only people willing to work the hours needed to run corners shops and compete against Tesco I think we should celebrate their contribution.

second half definitely see as attractive.

[BrilloPad]

as always complex.

Not sure Mr Patel / Singh / Wyzernik running the corner shop feels he needs to subsidise thieves though.

There is a core of professional thieves. There are some that are slowly becoming professional and there are a few that are desperate.

I have sympathy for those desperate to find food but the majority of those I know on benefits are still better off than those on low pay. Work does however seem to be returning slowly if badly paid.

Now if they paupered the bankers and set a decent minimum wage I would be impressed.

"Patel / Singh / Wyzernik"

Please edit that before OG sees or he will be crying racism again.

No need to pauper the bankers - just make them work under market forces. And instead of minimum wage its better to create jobs. Stop all imigration until unemployment is below 500k and reduce benefits. Introduce tariffs on imports to give manufacturing a chance to compete.

[vetran]

Times have changed. There is now real poverty as all the money is being thrown at the bankers.

as always complex.

Not sure Mr Patel / Singh / Wyzernik running the corner shop feels he needs to subsidise thieves though.

There is a core of professional thieves. There are some that are slowly becoming professional and there are a few that are desperate.

I have sympathy for those desperate to find food but the majority of those I know on benefits are still better off than those on low pay. Work does however seem to be returning slowly if badly paid.

Now if they paupered the bankers and set a decent minimum wage I would be impressed.

[BrilloPad]

there were a number of documentaries covering shoplifting. Many of the shoplifters were doing it as a job, they frequently stole to order and spent the money on Drugs.

One episode just before Christmas the Police had decided to lock up their top 10 by Christmas, as a result shoplifting incidents fell over a third.

Secrets of the Pickpockets & Shoplifters - Episode Guide - Channel 4

The reason razors are security tagged is shoplifters target Gillette & Wilkinson Sword not own brand beans, you can get more money reselling them.

As a police officer once told me, you rarely get shoplifters stealing the value brands.

Times have changed. There is now real poverty as all the money is being thrown at the bankers.

[vetran]

there were a number of documentaries covering shoplifting. Many of the shoplifters were doing it as a job, they frequently stole to order and spent the money on Drugs.

One episode just before Christmas the Police had decided to lock up their top 10 by Christmas, as a result shoplifting incidents fell over a third.

Secrets of the Pickpockets & Shoplifters - Episode Guide - Channel 4

The reason razors are security tagged is shoplifters target Gillette & Wilkinson Sword not own brand beans, you can get more money reselling them.

As a police officer once told me, you rarely get shoplifters stealing the value brands.

[BrilloPad]

Bloody Christian leftie.

It depends on what the person is stealing.

Someone stealing organic chicken or steak is not stealing because they are hungry they are stealing to feed a drug addiction. Likewise a teenager stealing a chocolate bar is just a thief. There as someone stealing bread, baby formula or a basic food item has serious issues.

I worship Maggie so don't call me Christian or a leftie.

Why should the poor be denied steak when the rich are eating swan? If anyone steals baby food they are probably going to spend their dole on drugs and eat the food themselves while their baby starves. Give them dole vouchers so they have no choice.

[BrilloPad]

So to make it simple - boosting items subject to VAT (ie luxury) is theft, but non-VAT items is okay to take?

No. You are totally wrong.

[BrilloPad]

What card is that?

The card that says "I am a Catholic. I have to drink alot"

HTH

[AtW]

Someone stealing organic chicken or steak is not stealing because they are hungry they are stealing to feed a drug addiction. Likewise a teenager stealing a chocolate bar is just a thief. There as someone stealing bread, baby formula or a basic food item has serious issues.

So to make it simple - boosting items subject to VAT (ie luxury) is theft, but non-VAT items is okay to take?

[SueEllen]

There bigger problem is not having the foresight to be a banker and have to government throw millions at them.

Look at the number on zero hour contracts - people are desperate to work and earn. But the rich amd powerful just want to keep the plebs in their place.

The last few years have seen huge food price inflation and unemployment benefit has not kept up.

Bloody Christian leftie.

It depends on what the person is stealing.

Someone stealing organic chicken or steak is not stealing because they are hungry they are stealing to feed a drug addiction. Likewise a teenager stealing a chocolate bar is just a thief. There as someone stealing bread, baby formula or a basic food item has serious issues.

[AtW]

Do you mind! I am a card carrying Catholic.

What card is that?

[BrilloPad]

You'll understand that when you marry / one of your offspring marries into the upper class. Another argument is that there's no point in penalising the upperclass, since even a 90% tax on them won't bring in as much as an extra 1% on the middle classes.

I was planning on penalizing the upper classes by withdrawing the bankers bonuses and spending QE on direct ways that will help people get jobs. Construction projects etcetc.

Oh and 100% inheritance tax. Look at Ronnie Barker's kid. Nonce but inherited millions. The kids of the rich just p1ss the money away. It could be put to use by the poor and hungry.

[BrilloPad]

They're bloody well not. They put THEMSELVES in that position.

Sheesh - do you live in cloud cuckoo land?

The upper classes are enslaving the lower classes. It must not be allowed to happen.

[BrilloPad]

When you haven't budgeted your giro money properly perhaps?

Sorry. I have absolutely no sympathy whatsoever. There is absolutely no justification for having to shoplift for food in this day and age. If you've blown it all on booze and fags then tough. Go and see the Hare Krshnas or the Sally Army. They'll sort you out.

I'd also add that not everyone who shoplifts for food is desperate. I know of a few people who fit into the "Trustafarian Hippy Traveller" bracket for whom shoplifting for food is a sport.

We've lost our collective bottle in this country, we really have

There bigger problem is not having the foresight to be a banker and have to government throw millions at them.

Look at the number on zero hour contracts - people are desperate to work and earn. But the rich amd powerful just want to keep the plebs in their place.

The last few years have seen huge food price inflation and unemployment benefit has not kept up.

[NotAllThere]

Why not penalize the upper clasesses instead?

You'll understand that when you marry / one of your offspring marries into the upper class. Another argument is that there's no point in penalising the upperclass, since even a 90% tax on them won't bring in as much as an extra 1% on the middle classes.