Reply to: The end of the New Lie?

[xoggoth]

Davros Dahl, Mum-Ra or Ming The Mercilless

[vetran]

Loadsamoney

Thatcher spawned Loadsamoney as a recognisable character, she also encouraged the creation of Rab C Nesbit. Which Harry Enfield or other characters do you think sum up the Labour years?

Remember the gap between rich and poor has widened under labour, many people have been laid off under Blair because of cheap imported labour.

I remember the plummy voices in the city slowly being replaced by people judged on merit. Now its how much of a bung can you lend to the labour party.

[Benny]

Government U-turn on free information

MINISTERS are to perform a U-turn on their commitment to open government by seeking to reduce the amount of information released to the public.

A confidential cabinet paper reveals that 18 months after Labour introduced laws allowing free access to government documents, it wants to block “the most difficult requests”.

The move by Lord Falconer, the constitutional affairs secretary, comes after a series of disclosures under the Freedom of Information Act have embarrassed ministers.

He is also considering introducing a flat rate fee for requests, which he argues will have a “deterrent effect” and “inhibit serial requesters”. He estimates this would cut information requests by a third.

[Dundeegeorge]

But

Yup.

Pardner.

And 90% of them are either black or hispanic...

Why would China execute so many black and hispanic people?

[Hart-floot]

Only problem is that there are only certain areas in China that allow 'free enterprise'.

The rural areas are in no way free. Infact the Chinese have purchased a number of these -



Equipped with lethal injection tables and closed circuit TV for official witnesses to watch from remote locations.

Allows for speedy executions in rural areas. Death sentences can be carried out within an hour of sentencing.

So while millions are climbing out of poverty hundres of millions more are still viciously oppressed.

Might free up the Criminal Justice system in this country

p.s I think i read somewhere that Texas executes about the same number of people, per head of population, as China does right now

[NickIT]

Absolutely - that is why I am an objectivist

I'm just a bloke trying to earn a crust

[NickIT]

Unless you follow the current Chinese model. A Communist regime that has largely unfettered (but not libertarian?) Capitalism. In many ways it's rather successful at the moment, lifting millions out of poverty very quickly.

Only problem is that there are only certain areas in China that allow 'free enterprise'.

The rural areas are in no way free. Infact the Chinese have purchased a number of these -



Equipped with lethal injection tables and closed circuit TV for official witnesses to watch from remote locations.

Allows for speedy executions in rural areas. Death sentences can be carried out within an hour of sentencing.

So while millions are climbing out of poverty hundres of millions more are still viciously oppressed.

[Hart-floot]

On the flip side unfettered libertarian capitalism is no better as it is inherently against 'socialisation'.

Unless you follow the current Chinese model. A Communist regime that has largely unfettered (but not libertarian?) Capitalism. In many ways it's rather successful at the moment, lifting millions out of poverty very quickly.

[John Galt]

On the flip side unfettered libertarian capitalism is no better as it is inherently against 'socialisation'.

Absolutely - that is why I am an objectivist

[NickIT]

The way to do it is to reeducate people so that they take responsibility for their own actions and are encouraged to strive for success. The problems we have in society now are a direct result of people being 'nannied' and being actively encouraged to under achieve. Perversely the socialist or communist approach of making everyone equal usually makes natural divisions in society greater. Those who have no natural drive are encouraged to sit on their backsides and demand handouts and those with exceptional drive go unrewarded and end up resenting under-achievers (wrongly - they should resent the lazy gits) who they see as being a drain on them.

On the flip side unfettered libertarian capitalism is no better as it is inherently against 'socialisation'.

[John Galt]

That's a million dollar question ... but implement a system which basically incentivises people to find work, who are capable of doing some, and correctly identifies those who aren't capable and cares for them(Clearly this is being abused as it stands) while providing a minimal level of support while out of work, and which provides everyone an equal opportunity to achieve this.

Plus I'd change the laws on immigrants so you have to have lived here for a reasonable period of time before you're entitled to any of the above.

How we do that is the much tougher question.

The way to do it is to reeducate people so that they take responsibility for their own actions and are encouraged to strive for success. The problems we have in society now are a direct result of people being 'nannied' and being actively encouraged to under achieve. Perversely the socialist or communist approach of making everyone equal usually makes natural divisions in society greater. Those who have no natural drive are encouraged to sit on their backsides and demand handouts and those with exceptional drive go unrewarded and end up resenting under-achievers (wrongly - they should resent the lazy gits) who they see as being a drain on them.

[snaw]

Tell me about it...

Had one genius who couldn't even log on to the college network...

I'm sure there's a helpdesk number you could call ...

[NickIT]

Tell me about it...

Had one genius who couldn't even log on to the college network...

They even let me go to Uni!!!

[NickIT]

I know you did Nick, but I believe the above still is true. You don't need to read, write or understand basic numeracy to carry out some jobs.

Yes that is true but also you need to have those skills to ensure that you know if you are being ripped off for example...

Probably a bad example but its a mad day today and the ol' brain box is suffering! LOL

It shocks me when I have a young person join one of my teams who is not able to even write a decent report or even record a Trouble Ticket properly.

Spelling I can forgive especially in a fast paced Service Desk but I do expect to be able to understnd what the issue is...

In many way I think that we do have too many degree courses which pretty much anyone can join.

[hyperD]

When I say education I mean having people with at least basic numeracy skills and the like....

I know you did Nick, but I believe the above still is true. You don't need to read, write or understand basic numeracy to carry out some jobs.