Reply to: Jon Venables to be freed

[stek]

You do realise that Thompson was released over 10 years ago and, as far as anyone knows, has been as good as gold ever since?

Wasn't he diagnosed as a psychopath at the time or shortly after? Showed no remorse or something like that and claimed by Venables his parents to be the 'leader' during the 'event'?

Could be he's rehabilitated, or could be he's very clever and has enough nous to keep a low profile?

Dunno, the whole thing turned my stomach and affected me deeply at the time and even know when this sort of thing comes up.

Let's no forget the effects of this on Jamie Bulger's parents - irritating or not, imagine what they'd been through, i don't know if they'd had to identify his body but, Christ, I just can't imagine...

[OwlHoot]

This pair can't be fixed. I stand by my words.

You do realise that Thompson was released over 10 years ago and, as far as anyone knows, has been as good as gold ever since?

[Old Greg]

They;ve always gone with the issue that Venables watched many a violent horror film as a kid. Chucky being the example. That's bound to **** a childs brain up.

So did you spend your early childhood on snuff move sets?

[MarillionFan]

any of you considered the fact that those two boys were put it to it by more responsible adults as a way of getting back at the Bulger family over some petty dispute?

Also by the way the painted him and stuck batteries up his a**e - there is no way in mind kids of ten would consider doing that without some form of instruction.

either way Venables imho is a danger to society

They;ve always gone with the issue that Venables watched many a violent horror film as a kid. Chucky being the example. That's bound to **** a childs brain up.

[suityou01]

any of you considered the fact that those two boys were put it to it by more responsible adults as a way of getting back at the Bulger family over some petty dispute?

Also by the way the painted him and stuck batteries up his a**e - there is no way in mind kids of ten would consider doing that without some form of instruction.

either way Venables imho is a danger to society

I've gone all these years without knowing all the details. Now I just feel like weeping.

[original PM]

any of you considered the fact that those two boys were put it to it by more responsible adults as a way of getting back at the Bulger family over some petty dispute?

Also by the way the painted him and stuck batteries up his a**e - there is no way in mind kids of ten would consider doing that without some form of instruction.

either way Venables imho is a danger to society

[d000hg]

Maybe they can be fixed maybe they can't. But why should society take that chance. Lock em up I say!

The idea is you try to fix them while they are held apart from society, to reduce the risk.

But if they are locked up, they are still a risk to the other prisoners

[vetran]

It's because you can't construct or follow an argument.

HTH BIDI

would that be your suggestion about what I would like? I wasn't going to bother replying as I have made my feelings clear earlier.

I am fine with the current set up where minors are treated differently and mindful of their age where experts decide their culpability, I have never suggested they should be tried as adults, however Venables was most definitely an adult on his second offence and was involved in something that builds on his previous offence.

As I said Thompson is apparently behaving himself, Venables seems a lost cause.

My point about 2 & 7 year olds was that children do know what is wrong. The fact these children stepped over such a line does mean they did so consciously.

Most adults don't plan 10 years ahead why would I expect children to do so?

[No2politics]

Since I'm not a child psychologist, that is a foolish question. But saying children can't be 'fixed' just seems daft. Even adults CAN be rehabilitated, some at least, and they are far less malleable.

Maybe they can be fixed maybe they can't. But why should society take that chance. Lock em up I say!

[minestrone]

Whatever was wrong in the first place would not be fixed by being locked up for 15 years with a bunch of pinko liberal social workers and head shrinkers.

[vetran]

Since I'm not a child psychologist, that is a foolish question. But saying children can't be 'fixed' just seems daft. Even adults CAN be rehabilitated, some at least, and they are far less malleable.

CAN

I believe in this situation he can't be, the damage is too great, as I said its a pity but work needed to start before they crossed the line so dramatically.

I'm all for rehabilitation but not in Venables case, I believe his sickness can only be managed.

[doodab]

Some can, some can't. It depends when the damage was done and how bad it was. If someone had a normal upbringing until a reasonable age and left the path of righteousness in their teens or later they can likely be rehabilitated. If they were abused from early childhood and only ever learned mistrust and hatred the chances are they are beyond salvation.

[Old Greg]

Why thick? Would that because you don't agree with us and so imagine we must be morons because we can't see the obvious facts that are only apparent to your superior intellect? You therefore make personal attacks from your unassailable position of superiority. Explaining why you believe what you do is beneath you.

That is a good symptom for a socio-path or a tyrant. Not good for someone believing they have an intellect.

explain how you would fix them and why he shouldn't stay locked up having blown his second chance.

It's because you can't construct or follow an argument.

HTH BIDI

[suityou01]

Since I'm not a child psychologist, that is a foolish question. But saying children can't be 'fixed' just seems daft. Even adults CAN be rehabilitated, some at least, and they are far less malleable.

This pair can't be fixed. I stand by my words.

[d000hg]

Why do you think they can be? How? If you can explain that we can empty most of our prisons.

Since I'm not a child psychologist, that is a foolish question. But saying children can't be 'fixed' just seems daft. Even adults CAN be rehabilitated, some at least, and they are far less malleable.