Reply to: How do you view the late Margaret Thatcher?

[proggy]

So ordering the deaths of a few hundred young men or destroying the communities of a few hundred thousand people is of the same order as 20 million deaths and 13 million being sent to the camps, or over 1 million and many more being killed and tortured.

Well, you win the prize for the most moronic comment so far.

The adults are talking. Here are some balls - go play with them.

Wow never seen a moderator being so abusive before, in other forums they are usually mature and intelligent.

[DodgyAgent]

It's being so miserable that keeps him going.

Miserable twat.

He is also male so he will be respected/excused for that alone.

[DodgyAgent]

So ordering the deaths of a few hundred young men or destroying the communities of a few hundred thousand people is of the same order as 20 million deaths and 13 million being sent to the camps, or over 1 million and many more being killed and tortured.

Well, you win the prize for the most moronic comment so far.

The adults are talking. Here are some balls - go play with them.

If going to war because a foreign power invades ones sovereign territory is wrong then what does this say about Britain going to war against Germany when Germany had not set foot or fired a shot on British territory. It is indeed one of the most moronic non arguments. If this is the best that these people can do to criticise her and give themselves justification for hating her then we have nothing to worry about.

[NotAllThere]

Yes, because writing a few good songs with the odd controversial comment is the same as ordering the deaths of innocent young men or decimating entire communities for generations. A better comparison is someone like Pol Pot or Stalin.

So ordering the deaths of a few hundred young men or destroying the communities of a few hundred thousand people is of the same order as 20 million deaths and 13 million being sent to the camps, or over 1 million and many more being killed and tortured.

Well, you win the prize for the most moronic comment so far.

The adults are talking. Here are some balls - go play with them.

[DodgyAgent]

Yes, well said.

I think what it means is that you are very happy with the wealth that she created for you but you like to hate her because you cant deal with the guilt

[proggy]

you may have agreed with Thatchers tune, but disagreed with the words ?

Yes, well said.

[vetran]

Not sure how she could of done it nicely, we had the leaders of the Unions willing to run illegal strikes . They were happy to assault police and beat up their colleagues so after a lot of violence she sent a lot of police up there with riot gear.

Its not like the miners were unwilling to cripple the country
1972 and 1974 Miners' Strikes

Then of course the miners murdered innocent taxi drivers
1984-5 Miners' Strike

frankly if they had negotiated fewer pits would have been flooded and closed.

Wanting smaller council house stocks she bribed people to buy them.

Wanting smaller government she bribed people to buy shares.

Wanting to build a financial services she encouraged the city to move toward light regulation electronic trading.

We couldn't sell most of our goods because they were too expensive, we couldn't afford to subsidise them so factories closed. Should we have kept them open and closed the NHS, pensions etc?

it was a bad time and she was a bad ass leader!

there wasn't an alternative, the unions had made sure of that.

In Germany they formed worker councils and worked with employers.


Of course 22 years on the communities could have reinvented themselves, they haven't.

[doodab]

Morrisey is a complete and utter twat.

WHS

[EternalOptimist]

There are many ways to skin a cat, using a chain saw is a bit too messy.

you may have agreed with Thatchers tune, but disagreed with the words ?

[DodgyAgent]

There are many ways to skin a cat, using a chain saw is a bit too messy.

nOf course you have the benefit of hindsight so tell us how it could have been made easier?

[proggy]

You are quite pathetic. how else could the economy have been rescued from the brink of bankcruptcy to give you the priviliged existence that you enjoy today?

There are many ways to skin a cat, using a chain saw is a bit too messy.

[DodgyAgent]

I am not a Labour supporter either, the last Labour governments have been incompetent and almost as bad as Thatchers government. There are plenty of Thatchers ideas I agree with and in fact all in all my opinions are aligned with the typical conservative, it's the way she implemented them that is the problem. I would prefer a smaller government, less taxes and welfare for only those in need. The NHS needs to be stripped apart and privatised, however we also need regulators with razor teeth to keep an eye on the corporations. A country is not like a company, you can't just sack people or destroy industries (even if they did need to go) overnight without something in it's place.

You are quite pathetic. how else could the economy have been rescued from the brink of bankcruptcy to give you the priviliged existence that you enjoy today?

[EternalOptimist]

I am not a Labour supporter either, the last Labour governments have been incompetent and almost as bad as Thatchers government. There are plenty of Thatchers ideas I agree with and in fact all in all my opinions are aligned with the typical conservative, it's the way she implemented them that is the problem. I would prefer a smaller government, less taxes and welfare for only those in need. The NHS needs to be stripped apart and privatised, however we also need regulators with razor teeth to keep an eye on the corporations. A country is not like a company, you can't just sack people or destroy industries (even if they did need to go) overnight without something in it's place.

thanks for your view on the role of government. many here might agree.
low points for sticking to the topic though

[proggy]

I see the lilly livered psuedo (you dontg give a sh*t about the miners do you?) hypocrite is back out again.

So why dont you be brave and argue why we should return to the pre Thatcher days. Ken Livingstone at least made the effort to argue that Britain was a better place than Thatcher the trouble is no one took any notice of him.

I am not a Labour supporter either, the last Labour governments have been incompetent and almost as bad as Thatchers government. There are plenty of Thatchers ideas I agree with and in fact all in all my opinions are aligned with the typical conservative, it's the way she implemented them that is the problem. I would prefer a smaller government, less taxes and welfare for only those in need. The NHS needs to be stripped apart and privatised, however we also need regulators with razor teeth to keep an eye on the corporations. A country is not like a company, you can't just sack people or destroy industries (even if they did need to go) overnight without something in it's place.

[EternalOptimist]

When I think of Thatcher, I try to compare her with someone. The only person I can think of is Churchill
Then I think of an old army saying, 'it's easier to be an officer in war than it is in peace', because your authority is magnified.
For these reasons, I think Thatcher was the greater leader. Although she still owes me three pints of milk
the bitch