Reply to: Is it ever going to get less cold?

[BlasterBates]

global warming caused by CFC´s in the ozone layer

[EternalOptimist]

Yeah, me and all of NASA

NASA - What's in a Name? Global Warming vs. Climate Change

The reason I mentioned cfc and the ozone is that this is what made Global Warming stick with the scientific countries, as the argument was that rays that got into the atmosphere bounced along the surface , effectively trapped under the ozone - warming the surface...

But hooo haw, lets not be subjective or anything...

The way I understood it -
Scientsist knew for a long time that there was an ozone layer, but they had no reliable way to measure it.
When a reliable way to measure it came along, they found a suprise. There was an ole in it.
When they measured it next year, the ole had gotten bigger.

So the reasoning went like this :-
'We are damaging the ozone layer. What destroys ozone ? cfc's . lets get Toyah to ban cfc's'
So they did.
And the ole in the ozone got smaller.

But then it got bigger. then smaller. then bigger.

Then someone said 'hang on a minute, maybe there was an ole in the ozone layer before cfc's. after all, we have no way of knowing. Maybe there has always ben an ole, that gets bigger and smaller natuarally.

Then someone else said 'hang on. we just smashed up millions of fridges and made them more expensive for the poor people in Africa to buy.

The moral of the story ? Check what is going on before you jump in with both feet

[Scoobos]

Yeah, me and all of NASA

NASA - What's in a Name? Global Warming vs. Climate Change

The reason I mentioned cfc and the ozone is that this is what made Global Warming stick with the scientific countries, as the argument was that rays that got into the atmosphere bounced along the surface , effectively trapped under the ozone - warming the surface...

But hooo haw, lets not be subjective or anything...

[DimPrawn]

Always with the "global warming" and "climate change" being put in the same bucket.

Seriously, if we're going to have this debate and graphs and tulip every few weeks - can we at least read up on the subject. The media has latched "global warming" when used in context of the ozone layer cfc problem, to climate change and now everyones going "duh, but its not warm like".

Bored.

You thick twunt global warming and ozone layer.

[Scoobos]

On topic, no I don't think it is getting less cold for at least a month. ffs.

[Scoobos]

Always with the "global warming" and "climate change" being put in the same bucket.

Seriously, if we're going to have this debate and graphs and tulip every few weeks - can we at least read up on the subject. The media has latched "global warming" when used in context of the ozone layer cfc problem, to climate change and now everyones going "duh, but its not warm like".

Bored.

[DimPrawn]

Think about this....

There is a natural cycle that cancels out CO2 global warming...are you following?
So without CO2 warming we would have cooled at the rate we were warming...right?
...but we were told the rate of change of temperature was unprecedented and far higher than any natural mechanism.

Do you see a contradiction here?

Perhaps before blaming CO2 we should understand the "natural mechanisms" that are just as potent as CO2 before we can blame CO2.

All the "green" taxes are based on CO2, that's all anyone needs to understand.

[BlasterBates]

Think about this....

There is a natural cycle that cancels out CO2 global warming...are you following?
So without CO2 warming we would have cooled at the rate we were warming...right?
...but we were told the rate of change of temperature was unprecedented and far higher than any natural mechanism.

Do you see a contradiction here?

Perhaps before blaming CO2 we should understand the "natural cycles" that are just as potent as CO2 before we can blame CO2. If there is a natural cycle that causes cooling wouldn´t it be logical to assume that natural cycles cause warming?

[DimPrawn]

Can anyone read this

Has global warming ground to a halt? - environment - 09 January 2013 - New Scientist

Without thinking:

1. They haven't got a friggin clue what's going on
2. How convenient unknown natural "cooling" hides the "catastrophic warming" whenever the global temperature deviates from the hockey stick.



And to think we base our economic future on these clowns?

[BlasterBates]

Well it´s about to go La Nina, so their prediction was wrong.



Can´t even predict three months into the future.

It´s the coldest March in most of the Northern Hemisphere for decades, hardly looks like a "warmest year".

Wishful thinking.

[pjclarke]

Another prediction

With an El Niño on the way, 2013 could be the warmest year on record. But the climate-denial machine will keep on churning

Nice piece: If 2013 breaks heat record, how will deniers respond? - environment - 03 September 2012 - New Scientist

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

Weather forecasts beyond 3 days are unreliable, let alone 3 weeks or more. Hell sometimes they get it wrong for the next day.

Anybody who things they can accurately predict the weather in 1 month's time is a blatant liar.

[pjclarke]

Corbyn also forecast the COLDEST MAY IN 100 YEARS last year

Coldest May for 100 years as winter roars back | UK | News | Daily Express

it turned out decidedly average. Make enough predictions, in intentionally vague language, highlight your successes, quietly forgot your failures, refuse to divulge your methods and you too can sell weather forecasts to gullible farmers and businessmen.

Texas sharpshooter fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[BlasterBates]

another prediction that isn´t working out

[eek]

WeatherAction, yeah ...



Why would anyone take what this peddler of meteorological horoscopes says seriously?

Someone who knew about the snow last week in Mid Feb?