Reply to: Disadvantages of being a contractor sometimes....

[d000hg]

Do not project your own behaviour on others we are not all like you.

Asking a question is "projecting your behaviour"?

[psychocandy]

I get this but seems a strange way to say one system is fooked because only 5% of things go wrong but the other system is ok as it it goes right 95% of the time.

Surely they are both at fault 5% of the time or both good 95% the time. Seems a bit unfair to slate one for the 5% and praise the other for 95%.

Yep. Seems to be the case. Like I said the nurses all seem genuinely caring but they've got a lot to put up with the way the system works....

[MyUserName]

Is that based on a guess again?

My statement is based upon how my wife was treated both times she gave birth, my wife's best friend's stories about her mother's treatment (that link sounds more tenuous than it is), how my wife was treated when I took her to hospital with suspected breakages in her hand after being hit with a sword whilst sparring and how my lodger was treated when I took him there when he got his jaw broken.

In all but one of the above examples I personally witnessed the events I was refering to in the above posts.

[SandyD]

Is that based on a guess again?

Do not project your own behaviour on others we are not all like you.

[northernladuk]

+1

Is that based on a guess again?

[northernladuk]

OK. To clarify - Based on my experiences with the doctors, the way the system is administered, the way things are organised, etc then the split applies. Only 5% is OK.

Based on the quality of nursing care taking all these things into consideration then I'd say 95% of nursing care was great. They've got a lot to put up with.

But the nurses just look after you in the ward. They can't get things organised, get beds sorted, get doctors to turn up etc, get appointment system fixed.

I get this but seems a strange way to say one system is fooked because only 5% of things go wrong but the other system is ok as it it goes right 95% of the time.

Surely they are both at fault 5% of the time or both good 95% the time. Seems a bit unfair to slate one for the 5% and praise the other for 95%.

[SandyD]

The nurses I have experienced seem to be lazy, negligent and malicious. There are probably some good ones there too but I guess they do not stand out as much.

+1

[SandyD]

No they don't. Perhaps on your planet, or in the USA.

Never had a permie role since I started my IT/BA career without the company offering medical insurance + other benefits. But admittedly I only worked for large well known companies - guess I was lucky then.

My existing private medical wont pay for existing illness/injuries etc, but it all depends on the type of cover you need/select

[psychocandy]

But this is just wrong..... you claim so many things go wrong with care from some notion you have from reading the papers and band these numbers around yet you go the other way with the nurses generally being excellent. You could argue that there are plenty of cases of incompetence by nurses that hit news (and all the ones we don't know about). You are cynical about the substandard care based on a few cases that hit the news but think the nurses are great bar the few instances which you ignore. Gotta have it one way or the other. Viewing both in different way doesn't exactly give a clear picture.

OK. To clarify - Based on my experiences with the doctors, the way the system is administered, the way things are organised, etc then the split applies. Only 5% is OK.

Based on the quality of nursing care taking all these things into consideration then I'd say 95% of nursing care was great. They've got a lot to put up with.

But the nurses just look after you in the ward. They can't get things organised, get beds sorted, get doctors to turn up etc, get appointment system fixed.

[MyUserName]

The nurses I have experienced seem to be lazy, negligent and malicious. There are probably some good ones there too but I guess they do not stand out as much.

[northernladuk]

I daresay they do but it does seem very postcode dependent. Wifes recents experiences have not just been one wrong thing but, unfortunately, 95% of things going wrong.

Would say though that, generally, the nurses are all excellent. How they work in such an environment defies belief though.

But this is just wrong..... you claim so many things go wrong with care from some notion you have from reading the papers and band these numbers around yet you go the other way with the nurses generally being excellent. You could argue that there are plenty of cases of incompetence by nurses that hit news (and all the ones we don't know about). You are cynical about the substandard care based on a few cases that hit the news but think the nurses are great bar the few instances which you ignore. Gotta have it one way or the other. Viewing both in different way doesn't exactly give a clear picture.

[northernladuk]

No they don't. Perhaps on your planet, or in the USA.

+1 to this. It is a perk that you can accept or decline at some companies at best... and... my last permie roll with a global outsourcer had private care via PPP and the DIDN'T cover existing injuries.

Wish you (not your d000hg) would think a bit before posting the generic all encompassing woolly statements without fact or basis.

[psychocandy]

actually they do a huge amount of things right and very few things wrong...

problem is when they get it wrong the consequences can be quite serious

hope your missus gets well soon.

I daresay they do but it does seem very postcode dependent. Wifes recents experiences have not just been one wrong thing but, unfortunately, 95% of things going wrong.

Would say though that, generally, the nurses are all excellent. How they work in such an environment defies belief though.

[d000hg]

Not at all, most permies have a free private medical insurance - all covered even existing illnesses.

No they don't. Perhaps on your planet, or in the USA.

[SandyD]

Oh well, one advantage, of course, though was that paying for a private consultation wasn't an issue. (dont get me started on how crap the NHS are!)

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Not at all, most permies have a free private medical insurance - all covered even existing illnesses.

When I went contracting first thing I did is to sign up for a private medical myself.