Reply to: So was it a red then?

[BoredBloke]

Having your foot up on your own is not an offence. The argument seems to be that Nani didn't know Arbeola was there until he played the ball. If that's true it shouldn't have been red.

If not, the ref might have interpreted it as reckless or even violent conduct. The rules have probably changed, the old 'dangerous play' used to be just a yellow and an indirect free kick.

By the way, anyone seen footage of McCreadie's chest-high, two-footed challenge on Bremner in that 1970 FA Cup final? That's a proper reckless challenge and it wasn't even given as a free kick.

You can clearly see that Nani is watching the flight of the ball. To me its a yellow at the most.

[TestMangler]

Having your foot up on your own is not an offence. The argument seems to be that Nani didn't know Arbeola was there until he played the ball. If that's true it shouldn't have been red.

If not, the ref might have interpreted it as reckless or even violent conduct. The rules have probably changed, the old 'dangerous play' used to be just a yellow and an indirect free kick.

By the way, anyone seen footage of McCreadie's chest-high, two-footed challenge on Bremner in that 1970 FA Cup final? That's a proper reckless challenge and it wasn't even given as a free kick.

Football was a contact sport in the 70s though.

Can you imagine someone like Norman Hunter saying 'There was contact there so the striker was entitled to go down' ??

[Doggy Styles]

Having your foot up on your own is not an offence. The argument seems to be that Nani didn't know Arbeola was there until he played the ball. If that's true it shouldn't have been red.

If not, the ref might have interpreted it as reckless or even violent conduct. The rules have probably changed, the old 'dangerous play' used to be just a yellow and an indirect free kick.

By the way, anyone seen footage of McCreadie's chest-high, two-footed challenge on Bremner in that 1970 FA Cup final? That's a proper reckless challenge and it wasn't even given as a free kick.

[Doggy Styles]

Ferdinand was a disgrace at the end.

Rio Ferdinand demonstrates time and again that he is possibly the most stupid person playing football in the premier league.

Is he special needs?

[administrator]

I saw Nani kicking Arbeloa in the ribs and then follow through, watch it from the 2nd angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuv8QK98I4M

At least he showed some respect to the ref by going off without fuss whilst his teammates argued, Ferdinand was a disgrace at the end.

Looks conclusive from that footage. Ferdinand is a muppet of the highest order. Prob part of the reason why he is out of the England squad.

[doodab]

I don't think there can be too many arguments about the red card. I also thought that even after conceding twice united put up a good fight and were a bit unlucky not to score again, but them's the breaks. They certainly had the chances.

My money is on Bayern to win it this year.

[gingerjedi]

How can you hope to control a high ball without having your studs up. Had it been as you said, I would have expected a yellow and not a red. Nani barely touched Arbeloa. Having your foot high is not a straight red.

As for the comment about Young, I agree totally. I don't like players diving and Young does it too much as does Rapheal

I saw Nani kicking Arbeloa in the ribs and then follow through, watch it from the 2nd angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuv8QK98I4M

At least he showed some respect to the ref by going off without fuss whilst his teammates argued, Ferdinand was a disgrace at the end.

[TestMangler]

How can you hope to control a high ball without having your studs up. Had it been as you said, I would have expected a yellow and not a red. Nani barely touched Arbeloa. Having your foot high is not a straight red.

As for the comment about Young, I agree totally. I don't like players diving and Young does it too much as does Rapheal

Having your foot high is not a straight red, challenging for a ball with your foot up and studs showing at above waist level is though.

[BoredBloke]

Anyone who goes in studs up, above waist level, is going to get sent off, regardless of whether or not the contact was deliberate or not. Them's the rules. In exactly the same was as if you go for the ball with both feet off the ground and studs showing.

The key issue here is that Man U (in domestic games) wouldn't expect a decision like that to go against them. Had that been Cadera on Giggs, you'd have been spitting feathers had the ref not sent the Real player off.

Most UK based teams suffer from these kind of decisions in Europe, because in Europe, for example, the tackle from behind is a strict no no, but not so much in the domestic game.

How can you hope to control a high ball without having your studs up. Had it been as you said, I would have expected a yellow and not a red. Nani barely touched Arbeloa. Having your foot high is not a straight red.

As for the comment about Young, I agree totally. I don't like players diving and Young does it too much as does Rapheal

[Bunk]

Rafael should have been sent off for a handball on the line.

[TestMangler]

Was it frig. Nani was trying to take the ball and clearly had his eyes on it. Arbeloa played for it and certainly played up the 'injury'. If the ref was so keen on dangerous play, why did he not send off the RM goal keper for mistiming his punch clear and ended up punching Vidic in the head. The ref was abysmal in the first game and was no better in that one. Why is it always the british teams who constantly get the rough end of referee decisions. (eg Celtic vs Juve)

Anyone who goes in studs up, above waist level, is going to get sent off, regardless of whether or not the contact was deliberate or not. Them's the rules. In exactly the same was as if you go for the ball with both feet off the ground and studs showing.

The key issue here is that Man U (in domestic games) wouldn't expect a decision like that to go against them. Had that been Cadera on Giggs, you'd have been spitting feathers had the ref not sent the Real player off.

Most UK based teams suffer from these kind of decisions in Europe, because in Europe, for example, the tackle from behind is a strict no no, but not so much in the domestic game.

[Ketchup]

I am a bit disappointed as a football fan as was hoping for a decent second half.

But i think it was Karma, Manure are a cheating club, Young dives constantly, he dived to get a penalty against us (qpr) and got a player sent off in the process.

[BoredBloke]

It could have been a great game. Looking at the replays it was a red, deserved to be a red but others have got away with a yellow.
It was dangerous play and properly punished.

Was it frig. Nani was trying to take the ball and clearly had his eyes on it. Arbeloa played for it and certainly played up the 'injury'. If the ref was so keen on dangerous play, why did he not send off the RM goal keper for mistiming his punch clear and ended up punching Vidic in the head. The ref was abysmal in the first game and was no better in that one. Why is it always the british teams who constantly get the rough end of referee decisions. (eg Celtic vs Juve)

[quackhandle]

That's football, some go for you, some don't. Thought Madrid would have won it anyway, Modric when he came on played very well.

Agent Arbeloa, good work.

qh

[Alf W]

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