Reply to: The NHS - time for a radical shake-up

[sasguru]

The govt will face a choice, a crushed currency which means imported energy, medicine, food, clothes etc will be unaffordable to the majority here, or ramp interest rates and destroy the banks balance sheets and watch house prices tumble.

So it's the first one then.

Britain can make medicines, food and clothes in a pinch. Energy is a problem, true.
But really a "crushed" currency means british exports are cheap to others and imports are expensive to us, so should lower the trade deficit, which is a good outcome.
And if the only thing is that people have to forgo their 42 inch plasma becaue its too expensive that's a good thing.
When I see chavs that are thin rather than fat, that's when I'll believe that food's "unaffordable" in this country.

[DimPrawn]

I don't think so. Rather have inflation, which is after all a devil we know from the 70s (and which also works as an angel devaluing debt) than the real doom (hunger, no medicines, massive suicide rates, GDP shrinking by 25% etc etc) that the Germans are imposing on the PIIGs.

The govt will face a choice, a crushed currency which means imported energy, medicine, food, clothes etc will be unaffordable to the majority here, or ramp interest rates and destroy the banks balance sheets and watch house prices tumble.

So it's the first one then.

[d000hg]

That;s the line the big three always come up with. Not voting for us is a wasted vote.

Just because they say it doesn't mean it's not true!

[sasguru]

That's because the Doom is only just unfolding.

QE has kicked the can down the road, but once the currency slides and we import massive inflation then the fun really starts...

I don't think so. Rather have inflation, which is after all a devil we know from the 70s (and which also works as an angel devaluing debt) than the real doom (hunger, no medicines, massive suicide rates, GDP shrinking by 25% etc etc) that the Germans are imposing on the PIIGs.

[DimPrawn]

Most of my assets are in property so I am indeed tied to the UK economy.
Bu wasn't it you in another thread that said there had been worse doom periods before?
So why is this the end of the world?
If you look at the data this is minor doom historically.

That's because the Doom is only just unfolding.

QE has kicked the can down the road, but once the currency slides and we import massive inflation then the fun really starts...

[mudskipper]

The wife's surgery are thinking about moving to a triage phone service, so if you call up you get a doctor on the phone who gives you a 1 minute consultation, then you get told who you are getting to see ( if anyone ) and how fast you can see them.

Sounds like a good idea but would probably end in disaster once the locals start abusing the system.

Ours does that - if you say you need an emergency appointment a nurse calls you back. Much better than feeling obliged to tell the receptionist your intimate medical problems.

[sasguru]

Price your wealth in Gold or Aussie Dollars or Kroner and you'll see you haven't prospered at all and on the current trajectory you and your children will be paying what little gain you think you've made back through inflation, a worthless currency on the international markets and through a dead economy.

Most of my assets are in property so I am indeed tied to the UK economy.
Bu wasn't it you in another thread that said there had been worse doom periods before?
So why is this the end of the world?
If you look at the data this is minor doom historically.

[DimPrawn]

And you think voting UKIP will not lead to the same outcome i.e. it'll still be a Con/Lab/Lib government?

You might as well turn your ballot paper into a pretty origami duck for all the good a UKIP vote will do.

That;s the line the big three always come up with. Not voting for us is a wasted vote.

Well this time we've all seen what the LibLabCon are capable of.

The great thing is this time, if voting UKIP lets Labour in by the back door we can expect mass immigration, money printing, dead economic growth, EU federal state and lots of Bobs on ICT visas.

Or to put it another way, the same as we have now.

[DimPrawn]

Well idiots like me seem to have prospered under Labour and the Conservatives.
That's probably because we realise that no government will help you, you have to help yourself.
Are you sure you're not blaming your personal failings on the government?
If that's the case UKIP aren't going to help you - unless they give you a job posting leaflets.

Price your wealth in Gold or Aussie Dollars or Krone and you'll see you haven't prospered at all and on the current trajectory you and your children will be paying what little gain you think you've made back through inflation, a worthless currency on the international markets and through a dead economy.

[d000hg]

No one can be bothered wasting their time trying to convince idiots like yourself what is plainly obvious, which is voting for any of the three major parties will lead to exactly the same outcome over the coming decades, which we have all seem over the last 20 years under Labour, Cons and Dem.

And you think voting UKIP will not lead to the same outcome i.e. it'll still be a Con/Lab/Lib government?

You might as well turn your ballot paper into a pretty origami duck for all the good a UKIP vote will do.

[sasguru]

No one can be bothered wasting their time trying to convince idiots like yourself what is plainly obvious, which is voting for any of the three major parties will lead to exactly the same outcome over the coming decades, which we have all seem over the last 20 years under Labour, Cons and Dem.


HTH BIYCIVMDI

Well idiots like me seem to have prospered under Labour and the Conservatives.
That's probably because we realise that no government will help you, you have to help yourself.
Are you sure you're not blaming your personal failings on the government?
If that's the case UKIP aren't going to help you - unless they give you a job posting leaflets.

[DimPrawn]

I'm struggling to understand what radical change UKIP will bring forth and how their insular policies help us to compete in a globalised world. No UKIP supporter seems to have the answers.

No one can be bothered wasting their time trying to convince idiots like yourself what is plainly obvious, which is voting for any of the three major parties will lead to exactly the same outcome over the coming decades, which we have all seem over the last 20 years under Labour, Cons and Dem.


HTH BIYCIVMDI

[sasguru]

in response to DP's post: "We can't go on with the status quo. Labour, Lib Dems, Tories will never change a thing. It's all talk about rearranging the deck chairs. Radical change is never going to be easy, but it's the only way to stem the slide into poverty for the majority."

You are for once, right. I'm very tempted to vote UKIP as the others treat the voting public with contempt

I'm struggling to understand what radical change UKIP will bring forth and how their insular policies help us to compete in a globalised world. No UKIP supporter seems to have the answers.

[vetran]

Yeah, as long as you're white, male, and a British citizen from birth they're a really sweet bunch...

What evidence do you have to support such a slanderous statement?

If you suggested similar for the BNP I would wholeheartedly agree but the majority of their leadership have a history of racially linked violence.

[minestrone]

The wife's surgery are thinking about moving to a triage phone service, so if you call up you get a doctor on the phone who gives you a 1 minute consultation, then you get told who you are getting to see ( if anyone ) and how fast you can see them.

Sounds like a good idea but would probably end in disaster once the locals start abusing the system.