there was an Indian fellow renting my flat - I found out today that he managed to borrow 15k on unsecured loan, 4k from MDNA credit, and 5k on another CC card.
He has left the country - I imagine he is not coming back to make good his debt.
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Previously on "“no limit” on the number of Indian nationals who can come to study & work" -Cameron"
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Originally posted by ELBBUBKUNPS View PostTo be honest I've been supprised no one picked up on it before, may be it was the typo in it
Well, some are, but luckily they are the less intelligent ones.
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Originally posted by Doggy Styles View PostWell, almost anyway.
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Originally posted by zeitghost View PostOriginally Posted by ELBBUBKUNPS
Just realised wot your name means.
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Originally posted by vetran View PostSo the argument is
4. Despite the government closing down 'colleges' with premises the size of a modern downstairs loo with 2000 students there is no abuse because the Guardian front page said it was savage cuts.
Which reminds me, the best thing when theres a skills shortage is to become a trainer, not train to do the job yourself ;-) Back in 2007 I was one of the 15,000 numpties who trained to be an energy assessor , when they only needed 2,700 (when the housing market was bouyant). To my credit - when I signed up there were only about 400 people who had done so! It was all the nutters who came along afterwards I couldn't understand. Nevermind - I had contracting to fall back on, but a lot of people had given up careers to retrain. I'm guessing a lot of these students were given all sorts of promises by fraudsters back home - and end up flipping burgers and sleeping 8 to a room! I blame the schools not the people.
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Originally posted by mos View PostI believe that you hit the nail on he head here ... the sheer size of the problem is hidden under the veil of silence and the evidence is supressed, credibility undermined (for whatever reason, perhaps just to avoid trouble or just to supress the wages, or because TATA said so, who knows). Talk informally to the guys involved, they will brag about it, proud that they cheated the system.
If you had a supercomputer handy and it wasn't against the data protection act for departments to share information, you may be able to correlate people with expired student visas to those people with NI records (that were created before you needed a visa to get an NI number).
This doesn't get you past the next stage - those people who have NI numbers obtained through the back door FOR FOR A FEE! Yep even in Britain the right number of purple pieces of paper can get you a real NI identity. Once you are on the computer everything else gets a lot easier. Driving License. Passport. The system relies on low paid civil servants being honest. Erm!?? I'm not suggested this is rife, but if you ask around the foreign ex-pat community in the UK, someone will know someone who can get you out of trouble. So even the official stats you might get from an FOI request will hide lets say for arguments sake, a few tens or hundreds of thousands of people who look to be legit.
You may think this is hearsay, but I talked someone out of spending £3,000 on doing just this. I pointed out although the paper work would be legit, it still didn't change their real status. And in fact could land them in jail for a lengthy spell. The better option was to go home, and reapply for a new VISA. And keep the £3,000 to support the family. When you see those sort of numbers you'll understand why even the most honest hard working civ could be tempted to commit fraud.
It might seem simple ethical choice to me and you, but to the person involved, the worry of not getting back to the UK and not being able to earn was more than the fear of getting caught. What I did learn from knowing said person is that a lot of people are in the same boat and didn't necessarily come here to beat the system, but got caught in a trap where going home wasn't an option. Not until they had a warchest to last until they found a rare job, but the living costs in the UK are so high it takes them an age, especially when most of the spare cash goes back home anyway. This particular person found a job back home via a telephone interview from the UK and is now happily back with the family.
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Originally posted by ELBBUBKUNPS View PostThis is great new now we can all look forward to new neighbours building mini bungalows at the bottom of there garden. Mine have and totally breached permitted development rules so I thought I would let them finish it then report them.
Just realised wot your name means.
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This is great new now we can all look forward to new neighbours building mini bungalows at the bottom of there garden. Mine have and totally breached permitted development rules so I thought I would let them finish it then report them.
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So the argument is
1. The government was in 2012 tightening the rules on Education Visa's because the there was a three fold rise under New Lie without similar expansion of capacity.
2. CMDave despite knowing a good portion of abuse was performed by Indian Nationals is still selling our Education visa's to India.
3. Because people contracting to large multinationals haven't seen any people working illegally on student Visa's then it can't be happening.
4. Despite the government closing down 'colleges' with premises the size of a modern downstairs loo with 2000 students there is no abuse because the Guardian front page said it was savage cuts.
5. Despite being a highly qualified Polymath SAS can't understand Spod is putting him on his ignore list.
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Originally posted by IR35FanClub View PostWithout all these illegals you woudlnt get cheap food and meals in restaurants. And the distribution network would collapse.
Why would the distribution network collapse?
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Originally posted by formant View PostRating by subject/department is most credibly done by REF (Home : REF 2014).
Undergraduate league tables are pretty useless due being based on various subjective qualitative categories and largely meaningless/out-of-context stats.
Talk about the tail wagging the dog.
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Originally posted by Cenobite View PostHey, you trying to say my place wasn't really third?
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Originally posted by formant View PostRating by subject/department is most credibly done by REF (Home : REF 2014).
Undergraduate league tables are pretty useless due being based on various subjective qualitative categories and largely meaningless/out-of-context stats.
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