Reply to: Worst is over for euro

[TykeMerc]

Well I actually think this is a grand plan. May as well Merge Holland, Belgium and Lux, then join Spain and Portugal, France and Germany can become one, merge Austria with a few East European countries

I mean fark it, lets just make it one country....

Been tried in the past with the projects falling so badly off the rails that even the most senior upper management was removed.

Romans (project suffered from extensive scope creep due largely to poorly drafted and never signed off requirements, while initially vastly under budget due to the realisation of assets collected locally in the long term benefits realisation was eroded. Arguably needed a better PM willing to close out the project and run lessons learnt exercises then handing over to a proper BAU team.)

Mongols (hugely successful following an extremely agile methodology, failed when the Programme Manager terminated his contract with insufficient handover or succession planning and the Stage Management decided to return for rebriefing which never occurred)

Napoleon (highly ambitious project which while returning great rewards for a protracted period eventually succumbed to severe scope creep and mis-management at both Project and Programme level, a later attempt at a project relaunch met brief success until competitive market forces precipitated immediate project closure and the retirement of the Programme Manager)

Hitler (followed the same general model as the earlier Napoleon programme, but due to having lost the lessons learnt documentation or possibly failing to read it the scope creep was repeated with essentially the same results)

Stalin/Warsaw pact (a Programme launched in response to an initial partnership agreement that later broke down into a competitive struggle for the same market sector, met with initial problems with RAID management clearly being very poor, after extensive reworking of the management structures project deliverables were achieved. Project clearly suffered from poor scoping with no defined end date, was never properly handed over to the BAU teams and eventually saw the on site stakeholders rejecting the solution for a COTS one widely used by similar customers.)

There are examples of other minor projects largely sponsored by Scandanavian parties, but these were of smaller scope and can be ignored at this point.

[BrilloPad]

Well I actually think this is a grand plan. May as well Merge Holland, Belgium and Lux, then join Spain and Portugal, France and Germany can become one, merge Austria with a few East European countries

I mean fark it, lets just make it one country....

With London as the capital.

[Old Hack]

To be fair the typical European Plan B's in response to when it goes mammaries vertical economically is panzers/cheese eating squaddies/cossacks in large numbers attempting major changes to the cartography of the area.

Ideally that's a scenario I'd prefer to see avoided as it tends to screw up the beaches and sightseeing holiday locations.

Well I actually think this is a grand plan. May as well Merge Holland, Belgium and Lux, then join Spain and Portugal, France and Germany can become one, merge Austria with a few East European countries

I mean fark it, lets just make it one country....

[Old Hack]

Whereabouts?

Charentes-Maritime, somewhere close to the Gironde, or maybe even down as far at Le Porges, or Hourtin plage. Fantastic, unspoilt and filthy cheap; currently have a house in the region (Poitou-Charentes), but away from the sea.

[chef]

Ah yes, Germans coming to Holland, nicking bicycles and turning them into tanks. Yes, come to think of it, you're right; I rather enjoy my bicycle.

That's a nice bike you got there Mitch.. better.. err.. take care of it

[Mich the Tester]

To be fair the typical European Plan B's in response to when it goes mammaries vertical economically is panzers/cheese eating squaddies/cossacks in large numbers attempting major changes to the cartography of the area.

Ideally that's a scenario I'd prefer to see avoided as it tends to screw up the beaches and sightseeing holiday locations.

Ah yes, Germans coming to Holland, nicking bicycles and turning them into tanks. Yes, come to think of it, you're right; I rather enjoy my bicycle.

[TykeMerc]

To be fair the typical European Plan B's in response to when it goes mammaries vertical economically is panzers/cheese eating squaddies/cossacks in large numbers attempting major changes to the cartography of the area.

Ideally that's a scenario I'd prefer to see avoided as it tends to screw up the beaches and sightseeing holiday locations.

[Mich the Tester]

I find the stupidity and gall of these politicans amazing.
The Euro may well be fine, but the price in Spain is 25% unemployment (50% of under 25) and a shrinking economy.
It's as if the politicians have decided they will keep the Euro even against their people's interests.
ThThat my friends is the definition of tyranny.

But in the greek elections almost everyone voted in favour of the Euro.

But they mostly voted against austerity.

Everyone in Europe wants it the carry on. The Germans want a better exchange rate than they deserve. They want to lend money and get it all back. The latins want to keep spending.

I think the painful truth is that the politicians in power are too busy defending the 'no going back' approach to the euro that none of them have actually put any thought into workable alternatives.

There's no Plan B. I think it's time to make one.

[Lockhouse]

I reckon if France goes into Meltdown, I will buy a bigger house, closer to the ocean, as they're currently cheap.....

Whereabouts?

[BrilloPad]

I find the stupidity and gall of these politicans amazing.
The Euro may well be fine, but the price in Spain is 25% unemployment (50% of under 25) and a shrinking economy.
It's as if the politicians have decided they will keep the Euro even against their people's interests.
ThThat my friends is the definition of tyranny.

But in the greek elections almost everyone voted in favour of the Euro.

But they mostly voted against austerity.

Everyone in Europe wants it the carry on. The Germans want a better exchange rate than they deserve. They want to lend money and get it all back. The latins want to keep spending.

[Old Hack]

and most Frogs have this crazy aversion to rural living - They'd sooner be packed in like sardines in some "bijou" little flat in a building with dozens of others, than live in a fine old farmhouse with 10 acres.

That means decent country properties in Normandy might end up even cheaper (aside from the ruinous socialist taxes. Maybe _that's_ why French people don't like large properties - Too vulnerable to property taxes).

Do you know, I don't get this, really don't. I was almost given my house, and a car, as the chap couldn't sell it, and I reckon it's worth a little less now. I am almost, almost tempted to think of a Plan B of a holiday home business, but the local Marie has just too much power for my liking. He comes and goes as he likes, and I was even approached by the gendarmierie the last time we visited, to check on my ******* taxes; the police ffs.

I reckon if France goes into Meltdown, I will buy a bigger house, closer to the ocean, as they're currently cheap, and I reckon would be stupid cheap if the economy crashed, as unemployment is already really high out of the cities, and would get worse.

[sasguru]

I find the stupidity and gall of these politicans amazing.
The Euro may well be fine, but the price in Spain is 25% unemployment (50% of under 25) and a shrinking economy.
It's as if the politicians have decided they will keep the Euro even against their people's interests.
ThThat my friends is the definition of tyranny.

[OwlHoot]

.. France, however, well, if that goes bang, then houses will become even more ridiculously cheap. Chuffed as nuts, as I bought in 2010...

<slaps head>

and most Frogs have this crazy aversion to rural living - They'd sooner be packed in like sardines in some "bijou" little flat in a building with dozens of others, than live in a fine old farmhouse with 10 acres.

That means decent country properties in Normandy might end up even cheaper (aside from the ruinous socialist taxes. Maybe _that's_ why French people don't like large properties - Too vulnerable to property taxes).

[Doggy Styles]

'Worst is over&rsquo; for euro, says Spanish PM Rajoy - Telegraph

This is the usual balls to talk up the euro.

How are the PFIIGS deficits doing?

[BrilloPad]

The Spanish have just stopped doing repossessions

The UK stopped 4 years ago. The banks still have alot of bad debts to fess up.

But of course central london will be okay due to influx of foreign buyers.