Reply to: Org charts

[EternalOptimist]

TBA

I think it means 'Totally beyond @rsedness'

[Mose]

How a client conducts organization, org charts and the rest of their affairs is entirely their business.

[Paddy]

What is the panel's position on contractors appearing in org charts?

Some city councils have at the top of the chart, a consultant manager paid through his service company. They are usually paid around £150,000 from your council tax.

[Contreras]

Does anyone seriously think that HMRC will get hold of team structure slides from ClientCo and "use it in evidence against you" and that you'll be unable to explain the situation? If you DO, then just tick the box and pay up now.

I keep copies of ClientCo org charts and telephone lists as evidence that I am not part of the organisation. Just one small part of my IR35 defence which hopefully will never be needed.

[Platypus]

Christ !!

Do the words "•Never, ever appear on a Client's organogram"

sound in any way familiar to you ?

Good spot!

Never, ever appear on a Client's organogram. And never let them give you a 'job title' other than "supplier" or "contractor". You're not there to be their VP Codswallop, Director of Naval-Gazing or Leader of Anything. Your company is there to get a specific fixed-scope job done.

Common sense here: you must be needed, otherwise you wouldn't be working at ClientCo. So they put your name in a box with a job title, that explains where you are needed and what your role is to the rest of the team. The box with the job title was already there. It's your name being in it that's new.

Does anyone seriously think that HMRC will get hold of team structure slides from ClientCo and "use it in evidence against you" and that you'll be unable to explain the situation? If you DO, then just tick the box and pay up now.

[TestMangler]

+1

Christ !!

Do the words "•Never, ever appear on a Client's organogram"

sound in any way familiar to you ?

[Lockhouse]

Every chart seems to think my name is A.N.Other.

[Contreras]

As long as it clearly states contractor/consultant besides my name, I've never had a problem.

Uhuh, so part & parcel of the organisation but without employee rights. Which is probably just how HR see it anyway.

[alluvial]

I don't have a problem appearing in an org chart. It's when you suddenly become a box with "Contractor vacancy" written in it that you know to start sending out the CV.

[Scrag Meister]

As long as it clearly states contractor/consultant besides my name, I've never had a problem.

WNS

[eek]

OK what about this situation:

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[ TotalIdiotContractorPeer (CONTRACTOR) ]
[ Lead Business Analyst ]
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[ BusinessAnalyst2012 (CONTRACTOR) ]
[ Senior Business Analyst ]

Would this imply to you that TotalIdiotContractorPeer is the senior in this grouping?

For information TotalIdiotContractorPeer has never been the senior in our grouping, he worries about D2D stuff plus general grunt work whilst I focus on strategic issues, also he does not have a good reputation with clientco staff after a couple of "strops"/"flounces".

I am interested in the IR35 implications if so

IR35 implication is that you are a member of the team. A contractor yes but a member of the team.

As for the other bit you seem to miss an important factor. To stay at any place you need 2 things:-

1) the appearance of competency
2) being liked enough that someone in management will fit your corner and try and extend you.

TotalIdiotContractorPeer appears to meet both those items (and probably gets £100 a day more than you) you seem to have neither

[cojak]

I like to print org charts on A3 paper and turn them into large paper airplanes.

[Mich the Tester]

What is the panel's position on contractors appearing in org charts?

I like to print org charts on A3 paper and turn them into large paper airplanes.

[aussielong]

OK what about this situation:

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[ TotalIdiotContractorPeer (CONTRACTOR) ]
[ Lead Business Analyst ]
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[ BusinessAnalyst2012 (CONTRACTOR) ]
[ Senior Business Analyst ]

Would this imply to you that TotalIdiotContractorPeer is the senior in this grouping?

For information TotalIdiotContractorPeer has never been the senior in our grouping, he worries about D2D stuff plus general grunt work whilst I focus on strategic issues, also he does not have a good reputation with clientco staff after a couple of "strops"/"flounces".

I am interested in the IR35 implications if so

If you were higher up in the org chart, would you have posted?

Do you want the org chart removed because matey is making you look like his junior?

[BusinessAnalyst2012]

OK what about this situation:

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[ TotalIdiotContractorPeer (CONTRACTOR) ]
[ Lead Business Analyst ]
|
[ BusinessAnalyst2012 (CONTRACTOR) ]
[ Senior Business Analyst ]

Would this imply to you that TotalIdiotContractorPeer is the senior in this grouping?

For information TotalIdiotContractorPeer has never been the senior in our grouping, he worries about D2D stuff plus general grunt work whilst I focus on strategic issues, also he does not have a good reputation with clientco staff after a couple of "strops"/"flounces".

I am interested in the IR35 implications if so