Reply to: The Lefties are back

[Doggy Styles]

Ah, I didn't know that one, probably as it was broadcast during one of my more settled stints.

"Watch Thou For The Mutant" was what I was thinking of.

I thought that was one of the Foundation trilogy.

[DodgyAgent]

Shouldn't you be busy creating wealth?

Someone with a valid point at last

[mudskipper]

I'm sure his local council have some kind of outreach worker he can call at the taxpayer's expense.

Nah, they're on strike because of their pensions. He'll have to make do with a charity do-gooder.

[darmstadt]

One person said:

Is it necessary to repeat here the irrefutable arguments of Socialism which no bourgeois economist has yet succeeded in disproving? What is property, what is capital in their present form? For the capitalist and the property owner they mean the power and the right, guaranteed by the State, to live without working. And since neither property nor capital produces anything when not fertilized by labor - that means the power and the right to live by exploiting the work of someone else, the right to exploit the work of those who possess neither property nor capital and who thus are forced to sell their productive power to the lucky owners of both.

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I know only too well that this mode of life is highly esteemed in all civilized countries, that it is expressly and tenderly protected by all the States, and that the States, religions, and all the juridical laws, both criminal and civil, and all the political governments, monarchies and republican - with their immense judicial and police apparatuses and their standing armies - have no other mission but to consecrate and protect such practices. In the presence of these powerful and respectable authorities I cannot even permit myself to ask whether this mode of life is legitimate from the point of view of human justice, liberty, human equality, and fraternity. I simply ask myself: Under such conditions, are fraternity and equality possible between the exploiter and the exploited, are justice and freedom possible for the exploited?

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"The simple worker who owns nothing more than his hands, has nothing else to sell than his labor. He sells it more or less expensively; but its price whether high or low, does not depend on him alone: it depends on an agreement with whoever will pay for his labor. The employer pays as little as possible; when given the choice between a great number of workers, the employer prefers the one who works cheap. The workers are, then, forced to lower their price in competition each against the other. In all types of labor, it necessarily follows that the salary of the worker is limited to what is necessary for survival." (Reflexions sur la formation et la distribution des richesses)

Someone else said:

I know that there is another real worry affecting many of our people. Although they accept that our policies are right, they feel deeply that the burden of carrying them out is falling much more heavily on the private than on the public sector. They say that the public sector is enjoying advantages but the private sector is taking the knocks and at the same time maintaining those in the public sector with better pay and pensions than they enjoy.

I must tell you that I share this concern and understand the resentment. That is why I and my colleagues say that to add to public spending takes away the very money and resources that industry needs to stay in business let alone to expand. Higher public spending, far from curing unemployment, can be the very vehicle that loses jobs and causes bankruptcies in trade and commerce. That is why we warned local authorities that since rates are frequently the biggest tax that industry now faces, increases in them can cripple local businesses. Councils must, therefore, learn to cut costs in the same way that companies have to.

That is why I stress that if those who work in public authorities take for themselves large pay increases they leave less to be spent on equipment and new buildings. That in turn deprives the private sector of the orders it needs, especially some of those industries in the hard pressed regions. Those in the public sector have a duty to those in the private sector not to take out so much in pay that they cause others unemployment. That is why we point out that every time high wage settlements in nationalised monopolies lead to higher charges for telephones, electricity, coal and water, they can drive companies out of business and cost other people their jobs.

If spending money like water was the answer to our country's problems, we would have no problems now. If ever a nation has spent, spent, spent and spent again, ours has. Today that dream is over. All of that money has got us nowhere but it still has to come from somewhere. Those who urge us to relax the squeeze, to spend yet more money indiscriminately in the belief that it will help the unemployed and the small businessman are not being kind or compassionate or caring.

[alluvial]

Professor Nebulous: Thou shalt not suffer a mutant to live. Unless they've got something useful, say, shovel hands, a beer bottle opening belly button, or free-standing genitalia.

Ah, I didn't know that one, probably as it was broadcast during one of my more settled stints.

"Watch Thou For The Mutant" was what I was thinking of.

[Mich the Tester]

He just needs a hug and some understanding.

I'm sure his local council have some kind of outreach worker he can call at the taxpayer's expense.

[mudskipper]

Has someone said something to upset you today?

He just needs a hug and some understanding.

[Mich the Tester]

Not long, after many years of another labour mismanagement of the economy the lefties are back - aided and abetted by a liberal pensioner. Having retired on the fruits of free market economics he has decided to support the dead hand of an idealism that has not only never created a penny of wealth but has ...
Now all we see is the re-emergence of these dirty little hypocrites blaming the Tory government for not being fast enough to replenish their gravy trains -

As Churchy once said "we shall fight them on the beaches"

Has someone said something to upset you today?

[mudskipper]

Leftovers? Did someone say leftovers?

Where? Where?

MF

[NotAllThere]

Professor Nebulous: Thou shalt not suffer a mutant to live. Unless they've got something useful, say, shovel hands, a beer bottle opening belly button, or free-standing genitalia.

[alluvial]

Thou shalt not suffer a mutie to live.

Isn't that from The Chrysalids? Jolly good book that.

[ZARDOZ]

Not long, after many years of another labour mismanagement of the economy the lefties are back - aided and abetted by a liberal pensioner. Having retired on the fruits of free market economics he has decided to support the dead hand of an idealism that has not only never created a penny of wealth but has consigned the entrepreneurial excellence of Europe to a shrinking golden Goose that every leftie sponger goes to with their sense of entitlement.

Fair enough, let us say that the downturn of economies was down to the collapse of the global markets (thanks to policies of another leftie ars*wipe called Bill Clinton), but it was inexcusable for Labour to borrow and spend during the boom times of the economy thus leaving the cupboard bare when the poor old Tories get voted in (begrudgingly) to clear up the mess.

What is it? why do we not see through these leftie idiots who want to borrow and borrow, who want to blow immigration barriers away and let anyone come and live and work here, who want to undermine the very businesses that sustain and create whatever growth there is that pay the pension funds that look after those who have worked hard all their lives and now deserve to be looked after in retirement.

They (labour) were supposed to be the party of the working class yet they admit thousands upon thousands of low paid workers into the country to decimate the working class jobs. Not only are they back with their sneering hypocrisy but they have returned unashamedly to CUK.

It is there in black and white that business and free enterprise is the only way for societies to prosper -rough edges there most certainly are but we should be debating how to best make it a fair system for everyone, but we are not. Instead a dead hand of incompetent "self interest" left wing bureaucracy has failed whether it comes in the form of the Euro, the health and safety executive or the European court of human rights. The lefties have destroyed all that is good about society and in the areas that they should be excelling they have feathered their own nests instead of using their influence within their leftie dominated institutions to enable everyone access to the freedoms and affluence of free markets.

Now all we see is the re-emergence of these dirty little hypocrites blaming the Tory government for not being fast enough to replenish their gravy trains -

As Churchy once said "we shall fight them on the beaches"

Nice wind up

[d000hg]

Do we actually need another leftie thread, the other one seems to be doing nicely...

[SupremeSpod]

As Churchy once said "we shall fight them on the beaches"

What I actually said was "It's your round!".

[speling bee]

Not long, after many years of another labour mismanagement of the economy the lefties are back - aided and abetted by a liberal pensioner. Having retired on the fruits of free market economics he has decided to support the dead hand of an idealism that has not only never created a penny of wealth but has consigned the entrepreneurial excellence of Europe to a shrinking golden Goose that every leftie sponger goes to with their sense of entitlement.

Fair enough, let us say that the downturn of economies was down to the collapse of the global markets (thanks to policies of another leftie ars*wipe called Bill Clinton), but it was inexcusable for Labour to borrow and spend during the boom times of the economy thus leaving the cupboard bare when the poor old Tories get voted in (begrudgingly) to clear up the mess.

What is it? why do we not see through these leftie idiots who want to borrow and borrow, who want to blow immigration barriers away and let anyone come and live and work here, who want to undermine the very businesses that sustain and create whatever growth there is that pay the pension funds that look after those who have worked hard all their lives and now deserve to be looked after in retirement.

They (labour) were supposed to be the party of the working class yet they admit thousands upon thousands of low paid workers into the country to decimate the working class jobs. Not only are they back with their sneering hypocrisy but they have returned unashamedly to CUK.

It is there in black and white that business and free enterprise is the only way for societies to prosper -rough edges there most certainly are but we should be debating how to best make it a fair system for everyone, but we are not. Instead a dead hand of incompetent "self interest" left wing bureaucracy has failed whether it comes in the form of the Euro, the health and safety executive or the European court of human rights. The lefties have destroyed all that is good about society and in the areas that they should be excelling they have feathered their own nests instead of using their influence within their leftie dominated institutions to enable everyone access to the freedoms and affluence of free markets.

Now all we see is the re-emergence of these dirty little hypocrites blaming the Tory government for not being fast enough to replenish their gravy trains -

As Churchy once said "we shall fight them on the beaches"

Shouldn't you be busy creating wealth?