Reply to: Time Required to get SC?

[stek]

Oddly enough I'm on DWP atm, and was told SC wasn't needed, now I'm told it is, and they're transferring mine - I feel a bit shafted since to me SC role = an extra £50 a day at least.....

I will ask around tmrw!

[SupremeSpod]

I would really love to see written evidence of that, suitably anonymised, of course. Drop me a PM...

Mal, let us know if you receive the evidence. Not what it is but the fact that you've got it and it looks kosher. I reckon the OP is axe grinding with a liberal dose of BS as lubricant.

[malvolio]

Got the answer from horses mouth ---

DWP went with fixed priced support contract for 10 years with HP. Then HP bought EDS and MphasiS. all support is done by Bobs either from their home country or locally. Since HP is "trusted partner with DWP" they are processing SC level no matter your in the country for 5 years or 3 years or you have ILR or Tier I visa... so in nutshell bottom line is money .. rest ( rules and regulation) is thrown out of the window!

I would really love to see written evidence of that, suitably anonymised, of course. Drop me a PM...

[northernladuk]

Got the answer from horses mouth ---

DWP went with fixed priced support contract for 10 years with HP. Then HP bought EDS and MphasiS. all support is done by Bobs either from their home country or locally. Since HP is "trusted partner with DWP" they are processing SC level no matter your in the country for 5 years or 3 years or you have ILR or Tier I visa... so in nutshell bottom line is money .. rest ( rules and regulation) is thrown out of the window!

So they are giving clearance to offshore Bob's? The same offshore Bob's that have been caught selling stolen credit cards details and personal details numerous times. The same ones that are not financially stable and open to bribery and corruption? If that is true some seriously needs to swing for that decision.

[WilsonPiper72]

You sure it wasn't BC or CTC?

I worked on a HP account ISTR they wouldn't even take ILR'd folks, had to be British Citizens. Might have been that site tho...

Having gone though SC (and PV yonks ago) I find it hard to believe they'd make such an error....

Got the answer from horses mouth ---

DWP went with fixed priced support contract for 10 years with HP. Then HP bought EDS and MphasiS. all support is done by Bobs either from their home country or locally. Since HP is "trusted partner with DWP" they are processing SC level no matter your in the country for 5 years or 3 years or you have ILR or Tier I visa... so in nutshell bottom line is money .. rest ( rules and regulation) is thrown out of the window!

[stek]

humm ... I know atleast one person who is on Tier I Visa and staying in the UK for last 3-1/2 years ( not even for 5 years!) worked with EDS/HP on a DWP support has a valid SC and now he has moved to a consulting firm , once again on a different DWP project and he is keen on getting a ILR! .... this is the fact and rest is .....

You sure it wasn't BC or CTC?

I worked on a HP account ISTR they wouldn't even take ILR'd folks, had to be British Citizens. Might have been that site tho...

Having gone though SC (and PV yonks ago) I find it hard to believe they'd make such an error....

[WilsonPiper72]

You need five year's UK residency and a current permanent address even to be considered for SC clearance. If you haven't got that and still have SC clearance, then someone somewhere is telling lies. The Tier 1 guys presumably were in the UK (else why have an expensive and difficult to acquire Tier 1?) and gained SC then, but it will have lapsed immediately they left the country

Also you don't get a framed certificate or a little badge or anything, the post owner will be advised by the authorities that Person A is now cleared to a given level for a period of time. They then grant you access to the secret filing cabinet or whatever you need to do the job unsupervised.

The clearance goes with the role, not the person, something too many people tend to forget. So if the job has disappeared, so has your clearance: all that happens is your application details are kept on file for a year so you don't necessarily have to reapply, although questions will be asked to make sure you haven't spent a few months holiday in Afghanistan for instance.

humm ... I know atleast one person who is on Tier I Visa and staying in the UK for last 3-1/2 years ( not even for 5 years!) worked with EDS/HP on a DWP support has a valid SC and now he has moved to a consulting firm , once again on a different DWP project and he is keen on getting a ILR! .... this is the fact and rest is .....

[malvolio]

You need five year's UK residency and a current permanent address even to be considered for SC clearance. If you haven't got that and still have SC clearance, then someone somewhere is telling lies. The Tier 1 guys presumably were in the UK (else why have an expensive and difficult to acquire Tier 1?) and gained SC then, but it will have lapsed immediately they left the country

Also you don't get a framed certificate or a little badge or anything, the post owner will be advised by the authorities that Person A is now cleared to a given level for a period of time. They then grant you access to the secret filing cabinet or whatever you need to do the job unsupervised.

The clearance goes with the role, not the person, something too many people tend to forget. So if the job has disappeared, so has your clearance: all that happens is your application details are kept on file for a year so you don't necessarily have to reapply, although questions will be asked to make sure you haven't spent a few months holiday in Afghanistan for instance.

[stek]

1000%!

Sorry, don't buy it, maybe Malvolio will jump in, hve you seen the SC forms? You need UK addresses and a passport with at least non-time limited visa in it, you must be mistaken.

[WilsonPiper72]

You sure? You need at least ILR to get SC.....

1000%!

[VectraMan]

Mine took 5 months, from last June. And I'm very very boring.

They were giving those whose SC was about to expire an extra year; that's how behind they were.

[andrewb]

Any idea?

How long is a piece of string?

Mine took about 2 months, but that was a few years ago. Expired now. There were 2 other people who had the process started the same week... one came back about 2 weeks before mine, the other took an extra 6 weeks. Whatever the current 'average' wait is, I bet there's still a huge variability even if you think your circumstances are simple.

[stek]

Well well well .. I know couple of BOBs, they have got SC having Tier I visa even sitting in India!

You sure? You need at least ILR to get SC.....

[WilsonPiper72]

I have come to the conclusion that SC has nothing to do with national security but everything to do with government departments not wanting their cock-ups being made public.

Well well well .. I know couple of BOBs, they have got SC having Tier I visa even sitting in India!

Secondly Was just curious while SC processing is going on , if my project is finished, then do the sponsor abort the process? or eventually, SC will arrive in a post?

[Paddy]

I have come to the conclusion that SC has nothing to do with national security but everything to do with government departments not wanting their cock-ups being made public.