Reply to: Syria and Western double standards/Hypocracy

[xoggoth]

There's a Hollywood mentality among our leaders and the press. Ghaddaffi, Assad etc are awful villains so, QED, those opposing them must be heros. The reality is that many of the more powerful forces are probably as bad, Islamists or other tribal leaders. The "Arab Spring" in Tunisia, Egypt and Libya is, quite predictably, already looking like a joke.

Arab countries are 100 years away from being capable of democracy, the emphasis on the extended family and the tribe is still too strong. Then there's Islam, it's not compatible with democracy, equality or freedom as we understand the terms.

[JaybeeInCUK]

M.E is just a powder keg, and always has been. You've got 7 million Israelis with cutting-edge weaponry up against 200 million Arabs who have long suffered under a tech deficit therein, but since the Soviet Union dissolved have been closing the gap. I fell out with a Jewish friend recently partly because I predicted it will only be a decade or so before the shisha hits the fanatic, the Arab's numerical superiority wins the day, and Israel goes under. And Israel DARE not actually deploy her nukes - western Moslems outnumber western Jews by 5-1

As for the news, well until you've seen a car wreck with limbs strewn across the A422 and blood dripping onto the hard shoulder, nothing is going to prepare you for the crap that happens outside our borders. I agree the news massages our opinions, but maybe it's better that the masses don't put two and two together and we all live in la-la land.

You'd likely go loopy if you actually saw what goes down off-camera in Iraq/Afghanistan.

[NotAllThere]

... I really don't get why people don't see the stupidity of the suggestions that Israel is somehow under threat from ...Iran. ..

Perhaps it's the Iranian instigated (according to Israel) attacks against Israeli citizens.

For example: Suicide bomb kills Israelis in Bulgaria. Is Iran behind attacks? | Europe News | The Week UK

You were doing so well until you split people into good and evil.
Good and evil are in the eye of the beholder. According to Al Qaeda you are evil and they are good.

HTH

I read this guy's book a while back. Gives a rather different perspective on the Taliban.

[mrdonuts]

You honestly think that Syria poses the slightest threat to Israel. I really don't get why people don't see the stupidity of the suggestions that Israel is somehow under threat from Syria/Iran. .

it seems unlike you the israelis consider a variety of scenarios, such as the "crazys" getting their hands on syrias chemical weapons

[minestrone]

I wonder if any of these other countries show clips of our news whilst casting aspersions on its honesty. Like we do to them...

"Tonight UK state controlled news reported on the Royal wedding of the Prince of Wales' only son William"

Whilst they all fall about laughing "they still think harry is his son"

[sasguru]

That's not what I am saying dude - help the good people not the evil ones. You don't help Al-Qaeda, Taliban etc. But you do help people who are genuinely good. ...

You were doing so well until you split people into good and evil.
Good and evil are in the eye of the beholder. According to Al Qaeda you are evil and they are good.

HTH

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

We helped Al-Qaeda in Libya.

I'm no racist young man.

HTH

Libya is a mixed country but it definitely contains several of these extremist type - the trick for the west is to recognise who is best to work with and not let the thugs take charge (but not through direct intervention).

[oscarose]

That's not what I am saying dude - help the good people not the evil ones. You don't help Al-Qaeda, Taliban etc. But you do help people who are genuinely good. The extremists are in various pockets e.g. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria. There are moderate majorities in Egypt, Tunisia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Oman etc. So why is the west not supporting the peaceful demonstrations in Bahrain yet it is supporting the thugs and criminals of Syria who are nothing but violent? Also I hope that was not a racist term you used.....

We helped Al-Qaeda in Libya.

I'm no racist young man.

HTH

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

@OP

Very true old chap.

Look at Libya, al-Qaeda is now running the show.

Best leave the rags be I'd suggest. No one's a winner.

That's not what I am saying dude - help the good people not the evil ones. You don't help Al-Qaeda, Taliban etc. But you do help people who are genuinely good. The extremists are in various pockets e.g. Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria. There are moderate majorities in Egypt, Tunisia, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, Iraq, Iran, Kuwait, Oman etc. So why is the west not supporting the peaceful demonstrations in Bahrain yet it is supporting the thugs and criminals of Syria who are nothing but violent? Also I hope that was not a racist term you used.....

[oscarose]

That would be a good suggestion if the West wasn't so greedy for its oil-based/constructed consumables

And there lies the root problem...

[sasguru]

And the govt.

And by sasguru.


The list is endless.

You lack the analytical skills necessary to distinguish truth from falsehood anyway.
HTH, BIDI

[sasguru]

Best leave the rags be I'd suggest.

That would be a good suggestion if the West wasn't so greedy for its oil-based/constructed consumables

[oscarose]

@OP

Very true old chap.

Look at Libya, al-Qaeda is now running the show.

Best leave the rags be I'd suggest. No one's a winner.

[NorthWestPerm2Contr]

cant believe the usa stance on this, it actually looks like assad is the lesser of two evils however unpalatable that may seem. The Israelis are getting twitchy about the Syrian chemical weapons and look likely to take them out and you cant blame them

You honestly think that Syria poses the slightest threat to Israel. I really don't get why people don't see the stupidity of the suggestions that Israel is somehow under threat from Syria/Iran. Israel poses a much larger threat to them than visa versa. Syria is a weak country and is now surrounded (politically, economically, militarily). However bad Asad is, he is no worse than the Saudi govn, Jordanian Govt etc who the west seem happy to chum up to.

[mrdonuts]

cant believe the usa stance on this, it actually looks like assad is the lesser of two evils however unpalatable that may seem. The Israelis are getting twitchy about the Syrian chemical weapons and look likely to take them out and you cant blame them